Time to throw down $$$. Soma Delancey vs. BMW Gangsta.
#1
Lurkin' and shoppin'
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 25
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Time to throw down $$$. Soma Delancey vs. BMW Gangsta.
So finally, after a year of scrimping and saving I'm ready to build up an no-compromise ride. I know they're apples and oranges, but I've narrowed down my choices to two frames: the soma Delancey and BMW gangsta. I'll mostly be riding around northeast cities (Boston, NY, New Haven, Dover), doing a lot of commuting and occasionally racing at the track.
Soma Delancey:
-$795 frame and fork
-Tange butted round tubing
-seaweed green paint
-Lugged
-Made in Taiwan
-no complete option
Brooklyn Machine Works Gangsta:
-$775 frame and fork
-butted Tange/us aero-profile/us round tubing mix
-choice of any primary color w/custom options
-TIG welded
-Made in Brooklyn
-"custom" completes available
I'm half set on the Delancey because the geometry is standard and the lugs look pretty OK for an Taiwanese frame. I've never ridden one compltete but the geometry is "sport road" which I'm totally down with. I know it's silly, but the major setback is that the frame comes in that green, which doesn't make me hot and bothered. I'll probably get it repainted which will add at least another $100 to the toal purchase. Also, I would probably get a new fork. The delancey fork just doesn't look like it fits the flow of the bike. It's too narrow at the tips or something.
I'm seriously considering the BMW because my friend rode the orange bike in SF during the NACC and said the geometry was incredible- both comfortable and fast. I'm heading to NYC next week so I think I'll drop by the BMW factory to try one out. A big plus is that I have a ton of color options, and when I Emailed them they said that I can have any custom color powdercoat (no wet paint) for $50 extra. Plus, I can get velocity deep-Vs match powdercoated for $140 extra (including the rims!). They also have a sercivce where I give them my dream build sheet, then they source all the parts and build up the bike. The downside is that there is a $75 assembly fee. It would be cool if they could just box up all the parts and let me build it myself without the labor fee.
That's another draw of the delancey. They don't have a complete option so I can order the frame and build the bike up bit by bit as I collect parts. OMG please help. I've been mincing over bike decisions for such a long time, and now that I have it narrowed down I can't make up my mind at all. Any real world experiences would be greatly appeciated.
ps. the build will be mostly high end: Phil hubs, Sugino Grand Mighty Cranks, Thomson, NItto, etc.
Soma Delancey:
-$795 frame and fork
-Tange butted round tubing
-seaweed green paint
-Lugged
-Made in Taiwan
-no complete option
Brooklyn Machine Works Gangsta:
-$775 frame and fork
-butted Tange/us aero-profile/us round tubing mix
-choice of any primary color w/custom options
-TIG welded
-Made in Brooklyn
-"custom" completes available
I'm half set on the Delancey because the geometry is standard and the lugs look pretty OK for an Taiwanese frame. I've never ridden one compltete but the geometry is "sport road" which I'm totally down with. I know it's silly, but the major setback is that the frame comes in that green, which doesn't make me hot and bothered. I'll probably get it repainted which will add at least another $100 to the toal purchase. Also, I would probably get a new fork. The delancey fork just doesn't look like it fits the flow of the bike. It's too narrow at the tips or something.
I'm seriously considering the BMW because my friend rode the orange bike in SF during the NACC and said the geometry was incredible- both comfortable and fast. I'm heading to NYC next week so I think I'll drop by the BMW factory to try one out. A big plus is that I have a ton of color options, and when I Emailed them they said that I can have any custom color powdercoat (no wet paint) for $50 extra. Plus, I can get velocity deep-Vs match powdercoated for $140 extra (including the rims!). They also have a sercivce where I give them my dream build sheet, then they source all the parts and build up the bike. The downside is that there is a $75 assembly fee. It would be cool if they could just box up all the parts and let me build it myself without the labor fee.
That's another draw of the delancey. They don't have a complete option so I can order the frame and build the bike up bit by bit as I collect parts. OMG please help. I've been mincing over bike decisions for such a long time, and now that I have it narrowed down I can't make up my mind at all. Any real world experiences would be greatly appeciated.
ps. the build will be mostly high end: Phil hubs, Sugino Grand Mighty Cranks, Thomson, NItto, etc.
Last edited by BistaPoy; 08-03-07 at 12:52 AM.
#3
70mm4$!n!
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: DC
Posts: 1,757
Bikes: Sworks E5, ritte Bosberg
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
seriously though, there is no need for grand mightys unless you are racing seriously, they are not that big of a step up for us laypeople from the 75s. ~$1000 is a lot of component money to invest in straight gauge tubes and a goofy ass geo.
consider a bob jackson if you are serious about droppin' cash
#5
Lurkin' and shoppin'
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 25
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
NO WAY!
seriously though, there is no need for grand mightys unless you are racing seriously, they are not that big of a step up for us laypeople from the 75s. ~$1000 is a lot of component money to invest in straight gauge tubes and a goofy ass geo.
consider a bob jackson if you are serious about droppin' cash
seriously though, there is no need for grand mightys unless you are racing seriously, they are not that big of a step up for us laypeople from the 75s. ~$1000 is a lot of component money to invest in straight gauge tubes and a goofy ass geo.
consider a bob jackson if you are serious about droppin' cash
#6
70mm4$!n!
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: DC
Posts: 1,757
Bikes: Sworks E5, ritte Bosberg
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
you have shot down all my points, congratulations. The delancy looks like a great frame. For the looks the BMW kind of reminds me of a bigwheel. An advantage of the soma is that you could run a brake.
as for the color of the grand mightys, you can get sugino 75 cranks ano'd any color you want by thousands of painters, for not that much monies.
as for the color of the grand mightys, you can get sugino 75 cranks ano'd any color you want by thousands of painters, for not that much monies.
#7
Hello.
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: West Seattle
Posts: 2,902
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times
in
2 Posts
From a purely aesthetic standpoint, I really don't like the BMW. If it were me, I'd save up a little bit more and get a Rivendell Quickbeam, but I'm kind of stuck in old man land nowadays.
#8
the goal
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Brixton, London
Posts: 457
Bikes: Bob Jackson track
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
The fork on the BMW bothers me. There's no functional reason for so much clearance and it makes it impossible to use a brake. That's fine if you riding in a city, but as soon as you decide to use your bike for something else (longer road rides, mini tours) then it will suck.
#10
Fissato Italiano
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Torino, Italy
Posts: 300
Bikes: Fixed Gear & Single Speed Only
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
I really can't immagine two more different frames
The Soma is old style, traditional geo, lugs while the BMW is a MTBsh compact frame with suspension corrected fork.
The Soma is old style, traditional geo, lugs while the BMW is a MTBsh compact frame with suspension corrected fork.
#11
seniorita member
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: London
Posts: 731
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
But yeah buying that BMW is a nice gesture since you also support a workshop for the
dumb & blind.
#12
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: NYC
Posts: 732
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
You sure the bmw is made here? I know a lot, if not all, of their stuff is being made overseas now. Also, it only comes in one size right?
#13
Good Afternoon!
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Rural Eastern Ontario
Posts: 2,352
Bikes: Various by application
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
I'm riding a compact frame, it's not so ugly as all that. Then again I don't have the seat a foot higher than the bars, that's a big part of what's making those ugly, I think.
#14
Walks with a limp
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Indy, IN
Posts: 1,346
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
If I were you, I'd see if I could see them in person. If it were my money, it would be That soma. Lugs, love the color, better tubing.
#15
Lurkin' and shoppin'
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 25
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
The funny thing is that I'm currently riding a 3rensho frame that doesn't fit me well, and while it's been fun riding around on standard tight track geometry, I just want something different. Japan, Tiawan, America,I'm all over the place.
Luckycat, are you sure? The website claims the frames are made in brooklyn. Soma states on their website the frames are US designed, made overseas.
I'm going to check out the Gangsta this week, does anyone know of a place in NYC that stocks the delancey?
#16
jack of one or two trades
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Suburbia, CT
Posts: 5,640
Bikes: Old-ass gearie hardtail MTB, fix-converted Centurion LeMans commuter, SS hardtail monster MTB
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
No comparison in the quality department, the BMW is a sweet, stiff and light ride, and you can talk to the guys who make it. I rode that orange one, and it's pretty freaking hot. Steering isn't as super-twitchy as a typical track bike, but it works on the track. If you want to run a brake it's not a good choice, but that's the only reason I can see to not get it.
There is a guy who welds for them on this board, but I won't out him... he'll probably speak up if he sees the thread.
#17
Velorution
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: NYC
Posts: 731
Bikes: Bareknuckle, IRO, Bianchi Pista concept 2003
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
austin who owns the orange bmw runs a brake on it. i've seen it. the clearence is stupid but then again i don't build frames and i have no idea why they did it. the bmw are awsome, great guys but it will get expensive building that up. they really are apples and oranges. i'd get the soma and if years down the line u get the custome bug, look at the bmw again.
#19
abides and rides
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 471
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
I had a look on the BMW site outa curiosity and it said that the frame and fork were designed to allow for barspins with 700c wheels, which was something I suspected. I guess it's a street trick track bike at heart.
It also said that only two frame sizes were available. 50 and 56 I think. Maybe they would do custom sizing though, I dunno. And brake adapters are currently under development.
It also said that only two frame sizes were available. 50 and 56 I think. Maybe they would do custom sizing though, I dunno. And brake adapters are currently under development.
#20
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: NYC
Posts: 732
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
BMW only has the park frames made in Taiwan, just about everything else is basically custom. So, only one size in that you can only get it in exactly the size you want.
No comparison in the quality department, the BMW is a sweet, stiff and light ride, and you can talk to the guys who make it. I rode that orange one, and it's pretty freaking hot. Steering isn't as super-twitchy as a typical track bike, but it works on the track. If you want to run a brake it's not a good choice, but that's the only reason I can see to not get it.
There is a guy who welds for them on this board, but I won't out him... he'll probably speak up if he sees the thread.
No comparison in the quality department, the BMW is a sweet, stiff and light ride, and you can talk to the guys who make it. I rode that orange one, and it's pretty freaking hot. Steering isn't as super-twitchy as a typical track bike, but it works on the track. If you want to run a brake it's not a good choice, but that's the only reason I can see to not get it.
There is a guy who welds for them on this board, but I won't out him... he'll probably speak up if he sees the thread.
Also, the site lists two sizes for the gangsta, 40 & 46cm. But maybe you're right about the custom sizing if they are still building them on Powers st. I still don't like it, which bums me out as I've always been a fan of the BMW stuff.
Last edited by luckycat; 08-03-07 at 09:06 AM.
#23
never eaten better listen
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 763
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
no offense, but who would seriously consider a 775 for a frameset that only comes in 2 sizes, uses more or less schwag tubing and is designed with barspins in mind?
#24
Stinky McStinkface
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Pa.
Posts: 943
Bikes: Clemente Custom(not built-up), TI Raleigh Record SS, VitaSprint Mixte SS, IRO S.E.(coming) Ibex Trophy Pro
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
The Soma Delancey is sweet. I saw a frame up close and that green is awesome. I like green either way, except for that flourescent crap.
__________________
Because, yeah... uh huh! Umm, yeah!
Because, yeah... uh huh! Umm, yeah!