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Landgolier 08-27-07 05:05 PM

The RD's chainline up front will probably be 45mm. Not much you can do about this without a new BB.

niebylski 08-27-07 07:04 PM

yeah- the good 'ole grease the spindles debate. whew...did I spend some time reading through all those threads. in the end I did put a touch of grease on both spindles. I figured that since I was doing this all alone for the first time and with a workstand, I needed all the help I could get leveraging those cranks onto the spindles. Sheldon's site said that the chainline should end up at 42.5 (or whatever is close to that) if I'm using both the 103mm BB and the RDs, I haven't had a chance to check yet, but will take time tomorrow.
Yeah, I know, the handlebars definitely need some work. I'm going to order these Somas (as they're the only 25.4mm bullhorns around) but in the meantime - I'll go buy some tape to wrap my bars. I really need to take the bike in to the LBS and have them overhaul the headset (it feels pretty stiff) - maybe, just maybe, I'll get a new stem (although with the 13/16" measurement on my quill that means a new fork too...and thats maybe more change than I'd like to make to this bike.
Anyways, I rode to and from work today and everything felt good -and I'm slowly getting used to riding fixed - I'm still not convinced that I'll be doing much skidding...fortunately my front brake is on nice and tight.
Also just discovered the DCFixed group which does rides here in the DC area. Nice.

Landgolier 08-27-07 09:30 PM

Wait, Sheldon claims 42.5 for the RD's or for your rear hub and cog setup? The Sugino spec for the RD's is now 45, don't ask me why.

MTBMaven 08-27-07 10:27 PM

Thanks for the tip on bicyclewheels.com I am looking at the aero Wheelman set. Great price! Any negative feedback on the wheels you got?

niebylski 08-28-07 08:03 AM

Sheldon on the Chainline
 

Wait, Sheldon claims 42.5 for the RD's or for your rear hub and cog setup? The Sugino spec for the RD's is now 45, don't ask me why.
Well, kind of. On the wheelset page at Sheldon's site (this one ) if you scroll down to where the list of wheels begins, he says that all the wheelsets listed will carry a 42mm chainline unless otherwise noted...could be out of date??

And then on the crank page they have the RDs listed as carrying a 42mm chainline as well ( this link , scroll down a bit to the RDs ). I figure that with the 103mm BB, the RDs, and the Formula hubs, I have to be pretty close to 42mm --hopefully not all the way out to 45...then again I'm sure that I'm perfectly capable of doing a poor job assembling everything 3mm out-of-whack.

I'm gonna swing by the LBS tonight on the way home and see about a couple things (I need to learn a little more about bullhorn HB width sizing vs drops, gonna ask them if the Shimano pedals with SPD one side and platforms the other are any good, and a few other things) maybe they can take a look at the chainline while its there.

Landgolier 08-28-07 09:56 AM

Several of us with wheelbuilding experience have looked over the bicyclewheels.com wheels and found them to be rock solid, I think they're as good as anything you'd get without it being a custom build.

The newer RD's have a 45mm chainline on their 103 BB, this is any of them stamped RD2R on the right crank. You can verify this on the sugino web site. Getting a good chainline requires a longer BB and putting the ring on the inside, unless you're comfortable putting a spacer under your cog. Also, keep in mind if you do this that with 1/8" chainrings the difference between the inner and outer positions is 6mm, not the standard road double 5mm. A 107 BB therefore gives you a 41mm chainline, (45mm + 2mm farther out - 6mm in), you can either put a spacer under that for 42 or 43mm chainline, or get a 110 bottom bracket, which is like a 107 with 3mm added on the right, and have a 44mm chainline. Being that most cogs are actually closer to 7mm wide now, 44mm really isn't bad. Also keep in mind that these numbers are not precise, how hard you screw down the crank bolt will introduce some slop (hint: use a torque wrench), and frame alignment affects chainline as well.

Isn't this fun?

pirate 08-28-07 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by Landgolier (Post 5160487)
Several of us with wheelbuilding experience have looked over the bicyclewheels.com wheels and found them to be rock solid, I think they're as good as anything you'd get without it being a custom build.

When I first bought my set, I thought they were great and solid as hell. Maybe I got the one-in-a-million poorly built wheel, but mine had some pretty significant issues with spoke tension on my rear wheel that became apparent within the third month of riding. So far I've had to have it retensioned twice (had them almost a year now, since last september). There aren't any cracks on the rim or anything else wrong with them that would cause the spokes to loosen up, but twice I 've had spokes come loose enough to turn the nipple with your fingers. That isn't acceptable to me. Hopefully the last tension job I had done will solve this problem, but if they don't, I think I'm going to have thebikebiz build me up some decent wheels and keep these as rain/backup wheels.
While I have been a little dissapointed in the build quality, they have done the job pretty well as far as getting me around, I haven't had a problem with the front wheel, and nobody else seems to have the same problems with them that I do, so maybe it's an isolated incident. I think they are a pretty good value for the price. Hopefully you won't have any issues with yours!

Chrysiptera 08-29-07 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by teiaperigosa (Post 5155225)
nice conversion! how bout some handlebar grips tho? your palms/wrists/elbows will thank you

OK OK OK.. I know no tape is no good! If you could see the bike right now you'd die; it has blue painters tape on the drops :)

Yes, that is right, drops.. I went to Bikes Not Bombs and was very happy to find their used parts section easy to navigate. I had a great experience and walked away with a used set of alloy Nitto 117 bars and Dia-Compe aero brake levers. Throw in some new black tape and things were looking good!

I went away for a few days but I just threw put the new levers on and fit the brake cable. I wasn't sure I would like the hand position of the hoods so I wrapped that blue painters tape all over the bars(they were gooky from the old tape) and went for a ride. I like it! So.. Now I just need to wrap the bars and basically the bike is done... amazing!

Landgolier 08-30-07 12:20 AM


Originally Posted by pirate (Post 5161226)
When I first bought my set, I thought they were great and solid as hell. Maybe I got the one-in-a-million poorly built wheel, but mine had some pretty significant issues with spoke tension on my rear wheel that became apparent within the third month of riding. So far I've had to have it retensioned twice (had them almost a year now, since last september). There aren't any cracks on the rim or anything else wrong with them that would cause the spokes to loosen up, but twice I 've had spokes come loose enough to turn the nipple with your fingers. That isn't acceptable to me. Hopefully the last tension job I had done will solve this problem, but if they don't, I think I'm going to have thebikebiz build me up some decent wheels and keep these as rain/backup wheels.
While I have been a little dissapointed in the build quality, they have done the job pretty well as far as getting me around, I haven't had a problem with the front wheel, and nobody else seems to have the same problems with them that I do, so maybe it's an isolated incident. I think they are a pretty good value for the price. Hopefully you won't have any issues with yours!

That sucks to hear. Was the tension uneven when you got them? Any sign of spoke windup? Any sign of spoke prep?

codydarling 09-02-07 08:33 AM

You are making me miss my conversion- i left the country for a while and had to leave my Fuji Monteray at home (in pieces). She was my first fixie and i had some fun building her! I even had to file out my front drop outs after i built a wheel with the wrong sized hub! you learn something new...

jodypolk 09-06-07 07:57 AM

edit: whoa... holy new pages...

nevermind.

conor 09-08-07 10:58 PM

does your berkeley creak when you ride? i'm finding that mine does--mostly in the front, though i could swear that i hear something every once an a while from the crank area. maybe i'm just being silly. i don't know.

i think that it may be the handlebars, and if that's the case, then how do i fix that?

Landgolier 09-09-07 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by conor (Post 5235486)
does your berkeley creak when you ride? i'm finding that mine does--mostly in the front, though i could swear that i hear something every once an a while from the crank area. maybe i'm just being silly. i don't know.

i think that it may be the handlebars, and if that's the case, then how do i fix that?

Creaks can be hard to trace because a bike is a big set of resonator tubes, so things aren't always where they sound like they are. The first thing to check is does it still happen if you pedal out of the saddle, if it doesn't tighten your seatpost clamp. This is probably 30% of all creaks. Next check your chainring bolts, this is probably another 30%. After that, tighten all other fasteners except the crank bolts, being careful not to strip anything. If you end up suspecting the crank bolts, it's best to pull the cranks, repack or replace the BB for good measure, and then reinstall the cranks with a torque wrench.

If you're still using the original steel cranks, there's actually a better than average chance it's the crank bolts. Snugging them up isn't as risky as with Al cranks, but again, BB maintenance is always a good idea.

werksmini 09-09-07 11:26 AM

Awesome, I saw the best place to get subs in boston and im immediately thinking SPA and BOOM.

Chrysiptera 09-09-07 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by conor (Post 5235486)
does your berkeley creak when you ride? i'm finding that mine does--mostly in the front, though i could swear that i hear something every once an a while from the crank area. maybe i'm just being silly. i don't know.

i think that it may be the handlebars, and if that's the case, then how do i fix that?

My bike is totally silent other than the seat; if I lube contact points it stops. To track it down I'd just go about it systematically as Landgolier suggested. Your bike should be silent other than the tire noise and a very slight noise in the chain..


Originally Posted by werksmini (Post 5237099)
Awesome, I saw the best place to get subs in boston and im immediately thinking SPA and BOOM.

You know it... I live about 2 blocks from there :)

dzinehaus 09-09-07 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chrysiptera (Post 5038774)
OK.. I just found this site that lets you select all your stuff and make an image of what your bike 'might' look like.. Kinda fun, perfect for a dork like myself :)

I made my design for my bike too...
I call it the Top Banana....

Chrysiptera 09-23-07 08:22 PM

OK! It has been a long time since an update.. I actually did this work to the bike on like Sept 1st or so, but never got around to shooting the photos.. I always want to do it during the day for better shots, f-it; now or never I guess..

So.. as I said I picked up some aero levers and nitto drops.. The other cool update is that I found a few bikes in the trash; one of which had a decent alloy seatpost that was 26.6!! The post itself is alloy, but the bracket that holds the seat on is a cheap steel. It is still a big improvement over the old nut kind since this is much more easily adjusted..

I'm thinking about removing the white "Fuji Berkeley" lettering from the downtubes; what do you think? Also what is the best way to do it?

So yah, here is my blurry shot..

http://jeremychase.name/pictures/bik...with-drops.jpg


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