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Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit in half for two people?

Old 08-16-07, 08:50 AM
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Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit in half for two people?

I'm thinking about buying a new lock, and was considering going with Kryptonite's Fahgettaboudit chain lock. Only drawback is the obvious weight issue. Three feet is way more chain than i need, and way more weight than i want to deal with. Cutting it in half, though, would give me a more sensibly sized chain at half the weight. As a bonus, my gf was considering upgrading her lock, so we'd be looking at around $70 (chain) + $30 (2nd disc lock) = $100 / 2 = $50 each.
My concern is that the lock might be too short at that point. 18" doesn't seem like a bad size at all, unless the links are too bulky (which they could be from what i've seen).
Does anyone with the above chain know if something like this is feasible? Will i end up with something too small? If so, i may consider doing the same thing with the 5'... the difference (same math) would only be roughly ten bucks each, and we'd have more size options.

Furthermore, what sort of tools are needed to cut a link?
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might as well buy hardware store chain if you're gonna do that. i'm sure you'd be able to call around and find a shop that carries similar gauge links.
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A fat bolt cutter..but to be honest if u can cut the link obviously its means that the lock aint safe. Use as much lock as possible is a safe bet.
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For that much coin, the two of you could just get matching u locks.
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Originally Posted by doomkin
might as well buy hardware store chain if you're gonna do that. i'm sure you'd be able to call around and find a shop that carries similar gauge links.
Hardware shop? Would i be able to find something like that?
I don't know from metals, but "11mm six-sided, hexagonal chain links made of triple heat-treated boron manganese steel" sounds like something pretty specific..
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just swing by your local ace hardware and ask. if they do have it, then ****, you'll have saved some cash. if they don't, then buy a 4' bolt cutter and get on your way to the bike shop.
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I use a krypto chain shortened to about 18", it works well, like a big flexible Ulock. I use a padlock though not the disc thingie
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Good call. Hrm, i wonder if i can find something even harder...
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Originally Posted by doomkin
just swing by your local ace hardware and ask. if they do have it, then ****, you'll have saved some cash. if they don't, then buy a 4' bolt cutter and get on your way to the bike shop.
the 4' bolt cutters were the best those nutcases from that youtube video could do for "hand" tools to break a chain. Their own product can be severed with a hammer & anvil in just a few seconds. The easiest way to shorten a chain is to use a powertool.
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Originally Posted by doomkin
just swing by your local ace hardware and ask. if they do have it, then ****, you'll have saved some cash. if they don't, then buy a 4' bolt cutter and get on your way to the bike shop.
lol...have you ever been to a hardware store?
first off...they WONT have chain like kryptonite uses. kryptonite MAKES that chain themselves.
secondly, a good 4" bolt cutter costs about 150 bucks.
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the more lock the better...u dont need something harderrrr. In the Kryptonite site U-Lock got a higher rating I think. Go have a check.

A U-Lock around the rear wheel and seatube also laced a Kryptonite cable lock that lock the front wheel wis more than enough IMO.
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Originally Posted by doomkin
might as well buy hardware store chain if you're gonna do that. i'm sure you'd be able to call around and find a shop that carries similar gauge links.
No...bad idea. The Krypto's not uncuttable but a hardware store chain is going to cut much more easily.

Just because you can take a Krypto chain to a bandsaw to cut it to length doesn't mean it's useless on the street.
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ok, without creating what shouldn't (but prolly will) become a flame war, does anyone have any opinions about a cut-down 18" new york chain vs the smallest new york u-lock? i like the idea of the chain as it's not restricted by the structure of the u. Kryptonite rates both as a 12 (highest rating). i don't see how a LONGER lock is more secure, as once you break one link, no matter how many times it's wrapped, the chain is compromised-- right?
or am i missing something?

*i said shorter, changed to LONGER

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more possibility of getting leverage on it if its longer and can be held against the ground.
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more chain slack means an easier product to work with.

as far as the chain goes, if these guys want to believe that kryptonite somehow has the budget to make the most secure chain link in the world, then so be it. but i know for a fact that chain link, stronger, safer, and cheaper is out there, and if your local big box doesn't carry it, then at least a knowledgeable salesman ought to be able to tell you where you could find such a product in town.
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Originally Posted by doomkin
might as well buy hardware store chain if you're gonna do that. i'm sure you'd be able to call around and find a shop that carries similar gauge links.
Hahahahaha.

No.

You can't buy chains that strong in a hardware store. That's why companies like Krypto and Abus exist in the first place.



As to cutting it in half, it's still gonna be pretty heavy and not as versatile. Dunno. I'd definitely get U-locks before doing what you're proposing.


Edit: as to the safenes comparison, if they have similar lock mechainsm and the chain links are at least as thick as the U, then the chain is marginally safer as it's less prone to leverage attacks.
I'm quite convinced that the difference is not relevant in the real world as nobody's gonna **** with your NY U anyway; or if you attract somebody determined enough to open a NY, then the chain ain't gonna stop the same person either.

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Originally Posted by doomkin
more chain slack means an easier product to work with.

as far as the chain goes, if these guys want to believe that kryptonite somehow has the budget to make the most secure chain link in the world, then so be it. but i know for a fact that chain link, stronger, safer, and cheaper is out there, and if your local big box doesn't carry it, then at least a knowledgeable salesman ought to be able to tell you where you could find such a product in town.
This post couldn't get any more false if you tried.
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Originally Posted by doomkin
more chain slack means an easier product to work with.

as far as the chain goes, if these guys want to believe that kryptonite somehow has the budget to make the most secure chain link in the world, then so be it. but i know for a fact that chain link, stronger, safer, and cheaper is out there, and if your local big box doesn't carry it, then at least a knowledgeable salesman ought to be able to tell you where you could find such a product in town.
OK, you've got me curious. What's the working load limit of Krypto chain? The strongest my old hardware store ever carried was a 6600# 3/8 chain that I could cut through with a pneumatic cutter in about 30 seconds. It was heavy as hell also. My new spot doesn't carry ****. We've got some 3/8 chain, but it would be garbage for this application.
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god.

kryptonite chain is not lifting chain people!!! do you guys even know what makes kryptonite chain strong?! it's not what it's made of! it's how its shaped!

square chain = hard to cut
round chain = easy to cut

what you need to find is a squared off (ie, not round) chain of reasonably strong material. THIS EXISTS ON THE MARKET OUTSIDE OF OVERPRICED BIKE PRODUCTS.

honestly people. does it really matter that much if KRYPTONITE is not branded around your waist?
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Originally Posted by SamHouston
I use a krypto chain shortened to about 18", it works well, like a big flexible Ulock.
What did you use to cut it?
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Originally Posted by doomkin
god.

kryptonite chain is not lifting chain people!!! do you guys even know what makes kryptonite chain strong?! it's not what it's made of! it's how its shaped!

square chain = hard to cut
round chain = easy to cut

what you need to find is a squared off (ie, not round) chain of reasonably strong material. THIS EXISTS ON THE MARKET OUTSIDE OF OVERPRICED BIKE PRODUCTS.

honestly people. does it really matter that much if KRYPTONITE is not branded around your waist?
OK then. Do you have a source that proves that square chain is harder to cut? I'm not trying to call you out on this, I've just heard quite a few people say it and haven't ever seen any hard data.

And then after that, have you ever actually been to a hardware store that stocks square chain? I've worked in 4 different spots at some point, and spent a ton of time wandering around my competitors and haven't ever seen anyone that stocks the square stuff.
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It seems like a square would be harder to cut through unless you turned it 45 degrees so you wear starting the cut at a point.
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Originally Posted by doomkin
as far as the chain goes, if these guys want to believe that kryptonite somehow has the budget to make the most secure chain link in the world, then so be it.
If there is chain link that is stronger, safer, and cheaper, it is probably also made by Ingersoll Rand, the owners of Kryptonite.
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A few years back i bought some chain, nickel plated and slaped a beefy looking lock in it





It worked untill someone stole it(the key was in it hanging in my garage)


The bloke at the hard ware store and to stand/jump on the hydraulic chian cutter to cut the chain that was good enough for me
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Go to a hardware store that carries a variety of chain. Get the stuff they use for tow trucks/fasten down cars. Last time I bought some it was about $4 per foot. It's not ridiculously large. The stuff is hard. It ruins bolt cutters. They'll probably use an angle grinder to cut you a piece, or they'll get the lowest man on the totem pole to take a hacksaw to it. He'll be there for twenty minutes, and pretty pissed off when he's done.

I'm not sure I understand the reasoning why round chain is any easier to cut than square/polygon shaped. I'm willing to bet the biggest factor is plain old hardness and thickness.
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