Road FG: L. Fillmore or J. Sputnik
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Road FG: L. Fillmore or J. Sputnik
I am buying a new fixed gear for use on the road - hence a desire for a road geometry.
Unless anyone has better suggestions it is going to be between the Jamis Sputnik or the 2007 Lemond Fillmore.
For both I will need to make some modifications:
-Replace handlebars with my already owned Profile bullhorns
-Will add front brake using my TT brake lever
-Change crank from stock 175mm to 170mm (will do factory trade for same crank if dealers can support it)
-Change chainring on Fillmore to 48t (Sputnik is already 48t)
-Use my Surly/Open Pro fixed/fixed hub as both bikes come stock with fixed/free hub
-Use my broken in Brooks B17
I checked with Lemond on the difference between the frameset on the 2007 vs. 2006 Fillmore, response:
"06 was a US made frame, OX Platinum butted, carbon fork
07 is made overseas, same frame material, but a lugged steel fork
Frame weight has not changed, fork is slightly heavier"
If I go with the Fillmore I'd rather have the 2006, but it looks like the dealer I work with can't find one.
Price is less of an issue, most important to me is getting the right frame. I have this 'sense' that the Sputnik frame is 'better' but not certain.
Al
Unless anyone has better suggestions it is going to be between the Jamis Sputnik or the 2007 Lemond Fillmore.
For both I will need to make some modifications:
-Replace handlebars with my already owned Profile bullhorns
-Will add front brake using my TT brake lever
-Change crank from stock 175mm to 170mm (will do factory trade for same crank if dealers can support it)
-Change chainring on Fillmore to 48t (Sputnik is already 48t)
-Use my Surly/Open Pro fixed/fixed hub as both bikes come stock with fixed/free hub
-Use my broken in Brooks B17
I checked with Lemond on the difference between the frameset on the 2007 vs. 2006 Fillmore, response:
"06 was a US made frame, OX Platinum butted, carbon fork
07 is made overseas, same frame material, but a lugged steel fork
Frame weight has not changed, fork is slightly heavier"
If I go with the Fillmore I'd rather have the 2006, but it looks like the dealer I work with can't find one.
Price is less of an issue, most important to me is getting the right frame. I have this 'sense' that the Sputnik frame is 'better' but not certain.
Al
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Originally Posted by popluhv
Wait, why don't you want the 06 instead?
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i'd lean toward favoring the sputnik's frame - some nice reynolds, right? of course, i don't know how this is manifested in ride, so i'd want to ride both if i had the opportunity. i'd also lean toward the sputnik b/c of formula hubs rather than something generic, but since you're using your own rear wheel with it, that's less of an issue.
see what you can test ride and what you like. if you can't do that, go with what's cheaper or better looking, depending on your priorities. i'd go with the sputnik if i were in your toesocks, but that's just me...
see what you can test ride and what you like. if you can't do that, go with what's cheaper or better looking, depending on your priorities. i'd go with the sputnik if i were in your toesocks, but that's just me...
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The sputnik is really nice, but if you're going for a road feel, I think the filmore would achieve that better.
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Originally Posted by legalize_it
the sputnik comes stock with a fix/fix.
"Formula track hubs with track cog one side, threaded for single FW on other"
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The Sputnik is cheaper than the Lemond as I recall, but the
Lemond really makes no bones about being a single-speed
road bike, and not some super slack fake track bike, which
I respect. Both are good choices, to be sure.
Lemond really makes no bones about being a single-speed
road bike, and not some super slack fake track bike, which
I respect. Both are good choices, to be sure.
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You can't go wrong with either. Reynolds 631 is nice, so is OX. I personally like the looks of the Fillmore, but Jamis has a long standard producing high quality bikes for a good price.
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Originally Posted by queerpunk
so i'd want to ride both if i had the opportunity.
I've contacted all the Jamis and Lemond dealers within a 30mi radius of home and no one has my size or close to it in stock. Only one has a Jamis frame that is 6cm too small, so a test ride would not tell me much and not be comparative to the Lemond either.
So that is why I am asking for opinions since I can only go by specs and word of mouth.
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Originally Posted by DerekRI
The sputnik is really nice, but if you're going for a road feel, I think the filmore would achieve that better.
Originally Posted by bonechilling
The Sputnik is cheaper than the Lemond as I recall, but the
Lemond really makes no bones about being a single-speed
road bike, and not some super slack fake track bike, which
I respect.
Lemond really makes no bones about being a single-speed
road bike, and not some super slack fake track bike, which
I respect.
Al
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Originally Posted by noisebeam
I thought the Jamis Sputnik was designed and marketed also as a road geometry fixed gear not a 'fake' track bike.
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didn't mean to imply that it was. I was talking more generally
about the glut of faux-track bikes on the market these days, of
which the Sputnik is not one.
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You can run a rear brake on the LeMond, which is what you are gonna want if you are using this for long road rides.
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Originally Posted by popluhv
You can run a rear brake on the LeMond, which is what you are gonna want if you are using this for long road rides.
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What are the stock wheels? Are you going to have mismatched front and back?
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Originally Posted by caloso
What are the stock wheels? Are you going to have mismatched front and back?
Stock wheels on Sputnik: Alex DA22 rims, 32H, Formula alloy sealed track hubs, flip/flop rear
Stock wheels on 2007 Fillmore: High flange track alloy hubs/Alex AT450 rims
Stock wheels on non available 2006 Fillmore: Bontrager Select Track wheel system
What is not yet certain to me is if the Sputnik is fixed/fixed hub or not. Is the Surly/Open Pro a better wheel anyway?
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lemond's top tubes are gonna be ~2 cm longer than their seat tubes.
jamis' are ~<.5cm longer, pretty much square geometry.
angles are comparable.
if you've got longer legs i'd say jamis. longer torso i'd say lemond.
jamis' are ~<.5cm longer, pretty much square geometry.
angles are comparable.
if you've got longer legs i'd say jamis. longer torso i'd say lemond.
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Originally Posted by dirtyphotons
lemond's top tubes are gonna be ~2 cm longer than their seat tubes.
jamis' are ~.5cm longer, pretty much square geometry.
angles are comparable.
if you've got longer legs i'd say jamis. longer torso i'd say lemond.
jamis' are ~.5cm longer, pretty much square geometry.
angles are comparable.
if you've got longer legs i'd say jamis. longer torso i'd say lemond.
I ride a 57cm Lemond Poprad. I am 6'2" with disproportinally longer torso than legs. (33.5" true 'inseam')
The 57cm Poprad has a 578mm TT.
The 57cm Fillmore has a 575mm TT. (The next size up is 61cm, too big)
The 59cm Sputnik has a 585mm TT. (A 57cm has a 570mm TT)
My old Centurion fixed gear is a 61cm with a 580mm TT & 120mm stem. I like the fit of this bike, the standover is zero (negative with shoes off) but that has never been an issue or concern of mine.
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sounds like you've thought about it then. the only other differences (a half a degree s/t angle and a half centimeter wheelbase) seem pretty insignificant. sounds like you're going to change out just about everything but the frame.
for what it's worth i've heard good things about both bikes, best off luck. sorry to hear about your last one btw.
for what it's worth i've heard good things about both bikes, best off luck. sorry to hear about your last one btw.
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Originally Posted by dirtyphotons
like you're going to change out just about everything but the frame.
Front wheel I use for a while too, same with headset, stem, seatpost.
I'd buy Sputnik frameset, but it goes for $520 at the same place I can get the compete bike (sans breaks) for $655 which makes much more sense.
I really appreciate your and others advice. I know what I like to ride when I am on the bike, but am not versed in technical differences between different brands/models of components and not able to read frame geometry specs to know what the handling feel and fit differences will be.
You said it looks like I've thought it out - but does it makes sense what I am saying, a 57cm Lemond or a 59cm Jamis?
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Originally Posted by noisebeam
You said it looks like I've thought it out - but does it makes sense what I am saying, a 57cm Lemond or a 59cm Jamis?
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Originally Posted by noisebeam
Interesting you bring this up.
I ride a 57cm Lemond Poprad. I am 6'2" with disproportinally longer torso than legs. (33.5" true 'inseam')
The 57cm Poprad has a 578mm TT.
The 57cm Fillmore has a 575mm TT. (The next size up is 61cm, too big)
The 59cm Sputnik has a 585mm TT. (A 57cm has a 570mm TT)
My old Centurion fixed gear is a 61cm with a 580mm TT & 120mm stem. I like the fit of this bike, the standover is zero (negative with shoes off) but that has never been an issue or concern of mine.
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I ride a 57cm Lemond Poprad. I am 6'2" with disproportinally longer torso than legs. (33.5" true 'inseam')
The 57cm Poprad has a 578mm TT.
The 57cm Fillmore has a 575mm TT. (The next size up is 61cm, too big)
The 59cm Sputnik has a 585mm TT. (A 57cm has a 570mm TT)
My old Centurion fixed gear is a 61cm with a 580mm TT & 120mm stem. I like the fit of this bike, the standover is zero (negative with shoes off) but that has never been an issue or concern of mine.
Al
the 57cm Fillmore and 57cm Sputnik will fit essentially the same. The STA on the Sputnik is 0.5deg steeper which would make up for the 0.5cm difference in TT length for the two. The Lemond does have a slightly longer headtube if that matters to you.
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Originally Posted by baxtefer
you're exactly my size.
the 57cm Fillmore and 57cm Sputnik will fit essentially the same. The STA on the Sputnik is 0.5deg steeper which would make up for the 0.5cm difference in TT length for the two. The Lemond does have a slightly longer headtube if that matters to you.
the 57cm Fillmore and 57cm Sputnik will fit essentially the same. The STA on the Sputnik is 0.5deg steeper which would make up for the 0.5cm difference in TT length for the two. The Lemond does have a slightly longer headtube if that matters to you.
(The TT numbers I am quoting are effective, which is the same as actual for the Fillmore and may or may not be the same as actual for the Sputnik, probably same as not compact geo.)
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