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Old 08-31-07, 01:34 PM
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Fixie Elitists...

Hola all,
Just a comment and question here...

Why does it seem that in Detroit, and apparently in a few other cities as well, there are those out there who feel that since they ride a fixie that they are the king of the hipster/biking world. This isn't everyone by any means, but just the most vocal seem to be the ones who hate on others the most.

They make fun of people with reflectors (yes because getting hit by cars that can't see you is totally ****ing rad!), constantly think they are the fastest thing in a city on two wheels, etc...

I myself am looking forward to building up a nice fixed gear project bike. It'll be fun, and they look really great when they're customized. However, I'm just not sure where in the build process it is mandated for some people to become elitist jerk faces.

So my questions are as follows...

Other than looks, why do people hate on reflectors? Where I live, the motor city, there are a incredible amount of cars not used to pedestrians, let alone used to seeing me cruise through the city at a good 15-18mph pace. I mean I can't imagine there's an incredible wind resistance penalty ;p

Second, does anyone else think that fixies are suicide in a city? My team won the last Detroit Alley Cat and not one of us had a fixie (two on road bikes and two on MTB with slicks). It seems the inability to brake quickly perhaps be a bad thing. Am I wrong? We were able to bomb off curbs, take the massive detroit potholes without worrying about our wheels, make close corners, etc.

Third, when did people decide to take Fixies off of the track? They make total sense there...and they look like great project bikes and a whole new cycling experience...but...


I am a very tolerant person, but I have read and heard too much to keep quiet now...and I am genuinely interested.

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Old 08-31-07, 01:44 PM
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1.Reflectors are nowhere near as good as blinkies, so I wouldn't run em.

2.You can put a brake on a fixed gear bike you know.

3.The first bikes ridden on the road were fixed gear bikes. So a better question is, why did people start riding freewheel on the road and give up on fixed when it's so much fun?
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Old 08-31-07, 01:44 PM
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go **** yourself, we all know i'm cooler than you already so there's no point in me reading your inferior drivel.



just kidding. ******bags come in all shapes and sizes, and they ride all sorts of vehicles too. don't hate the scene or trend, hate the people worth hating.

roadie elitists, mountain bike elitists, political debate elitists, classist socioeconomic elitists, they're all bad. it's the grouping of things that causes it to be a problem.

just because someone's rich doesn't mean they're uncharitable, and just because someone rides a fixed gear and thinks they're better than you doesn't mean you need to write a thread about it.
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Old 08-31-07, 01:46 PM
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Reflectors seem useless if you have lights, which you should.

Of course geared bikes with brakes are faster in the city, but I think you missed the point. Personally, I think that everyone should ride with a brake and do so myself. And even though I know I could be faster on a geared bike I still prefer to ride fixed because it just feels better to me. There really isn't that much more to it, you just have to try it and see. Maybe you'll be hooked like I was, or you'll think it's ********.

Hipsters in general are universally loathed by more serious cyclists.
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Old 08-31-07, 01:47 PM
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here is a little history for you:

way back in the 70's, some messengers took track bikes and added a front brake. They did this (used a track bike) so there would be very few components on the bike for thieves to steal, and to reduce maintenance and parts replacement costs. All inall a well thoguht out and sensible thing to do.



flash forward to present day.

i'll refrain from commenting about hipsters and fixies.

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Old 08-31-07, 01:52 PM
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focusing in on the use of reflectors and brakes... each are very much worth using.

your little blinkie light doesn't shoot as much light at a car driver as a good reflector reflecting headlights... i'm sorry it just doesn't.


brakes are necessary as well. what's your point? is your point that a nice, quality geared mountain bike or road bike is faster through the city? i don't know of many people that would argue with you there.


when it comes down to it, it's the rider, not the ride that gets to point b faster.
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Old 08-31-07, 01:52 PM
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I like skidding around corners.
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Old 08-31-07, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by cc700 View Post
just because someone rides a fixed gear and thinks they're better than you doesn't mean you need to write a thread about it.
qft

But where do you get your stats about reflectors? I was always led to believe that a reflector is much worse than a blinkie, by Sheldon for example.

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/reflectors.html
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i want a rear disc wheel that's just one giant reflector.
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Old 08-31-07, 02:08 PM
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I Reflect All Hate, Brrawawawrrrarawrararrwawrawrrrrrrrr
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Originally Posted by 666pack View Post
i want a rear disc wheel that's just one giant reflector.
like this one
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Old 08-31-07, 02:13 PM
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Duh...reflectors and brakes are for cowards.
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Old 08-31-07, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by lbthomps View Post
like this one
What the ****... is up with that seat tube angle? Seriously someone explain it to me.
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Old 08-31-07, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by mander View Post
What the ****... is up with that seat tube angle? Seriously someone explain it to me.
See a few fs on yahoo japan auctions from time to time. I guess it was a popular idea at one time. People thought it was faster i think i heard.
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Old 08-31-07, 02:42 PM
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What's the point of trying to belong to a subculture if it doesn't make you feel superior, huh!?
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Originally Posted by lbthomps View Post
like this one

Dang! Over in the C & V somebody was discussing dork disks (aka spoke protectors) and I said that I'd like to see a chrome disc wheel as the ultimate in dork disks.

I never thought I'd get pink and a tilted saddle thrown in, too.
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Pretty sure that's a real disc wheel.
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Originally Posted by mander View Post
What the ****... is up with that seat tube angle? Seriously someone explain it to me.
edit: ugh nm im wrong
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Old 08-31-07, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by mander View Post
1.Reflectors are nowhere near as good as blinkies, so I wouldn't run em.
Every little bit helps, but you better have a blinky and a headlight too. I don't remove reflectors from a bike that has them, but I don't bother adding them either. Actually, that's not entirely true, I do take them off my wheels.
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Old 08-31-07, 03:08 PM
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Some good replies.

Ok, blinkies are great, I agree, buuuuut a passive reflector is hardly any weight and having a few as well as some blinkies wouldn't kill you would it? (I saw a great blinkie LED spoke light set that made the naked lady trucker flap outline thing, you know what i'm talking about?)

I totally understand for messengers the low maintenance, low number of attractive/expensive components to steal, etc...that fixies provide.

I'm not saying all fixed gear riders are hipster *******s, nor am I saying they're slow and I could waste them all in the city. I'm not saying they're not fun to ride, because that's a lie (a little awkward...ok way awkward at first, but they're nice and like I said in my OP, I do want to start on my project soon). No worries, road/MTB/Skate/Climber/etc. etc. elitists definitely irk me too

What I am saying is that...they seem really unnecessarily dangerous for city riding, brakes or no brakes. It more has to do with that inability to coast, even if/when you want to brake.

I don't know, I just need reassurance that not all fixie owners are hipster morons who wouldn't know a rear dérailleur from their scrotum.

I didn't mean this to be a flame session, rather a genuine interest in knowing why a.) haters on the passive reflectors b.) why hipsters like fixies c.) why they claim they are urban street machines (more so than any other bike)...etc etc...etc...this is going to get me nowhere i can see...
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Probably the same reason bow hunters look down on those who use rifles, sailboat sailors look down on motorboaters, fly fisherman look down on guys with reels, etc.

Because we're the true cyclists/hunters/sailors/fishers/whatever and the rest of you with your newfangled technological improvements suck.
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Originally Posted by mander View Post
What the ****... is up with that seat tube angle? Seriously someone explain it to me.
from what ive been told, there was a keirin racer who had odd body proportions/riding position and somehow that geometry worked for him and he won a lot of races. a lot of other racers saw his success and decided to experiment with having that steeper seat tube angle. They then realized that it sucked for 99% of humanity and went back to regular frame designs.
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I've noticed that whenever I'm on my fixie, the roadies don't wave/smile/nod at me, and whenever I'm on my road bike, I get the same treatment from the fixers. Why all the hate? Let's just bike and be happy. Anyways, I run reflective tape and blinkies on my fixed commuter because I always seem to get stuck out at night. I might look like safety man, but I ain't never been hit.
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distaste for reflectors has nothing to do with fixed gear riding. nor does any of the elitist attitude you're talking about.
the serious road riders i know have the same attitude towards reflectors (and other riders, for that matter) as kids who ride fixed. same goes for 20" freestyle riders, triathletes, etc.
furthermore, the whole "elite because i ride fixed" thing is a myth. no one thinks that anymore, because everyone and their mom rides fixed. it's just another type of bicycle. cocky fixed gear riders are usually cocky for one of two reasons, which applies to every other kind of riding out there: they're either pretty fast, or have an unnecessarily expensive bike. there's nothing fixed geared specific about that.
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Come to detroit...we're behind on the times here...
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