Leader frames 720 TR For Fixie
So I checked out ebay for a frame, I've been looking for a year, and found this
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-720TR-MESSEN...QQcmdZViewItem I was about to but a Sparton frame but after reading pogmahones review I reconsidered. This will be my first build so I'm trying to avoid any extra hassle I can. I've been reading up on the forums about Leader and customer relations sound terrible, but maybe they've changed. All measurements seem in order, I'm not too keen on having to order the fork seperately but has to be done. Anyone got any recent complaints, praise, advice?? Or anyone got a nice 56cm track frame for me? |
wow! possibly the dumbest track ends ever.
how are you supposed to tension your chain with those things when there's a hub in the way. and similarly, how are you supposed to slacken the chain to derail it when you can't get at the tensioner? |
Originally Posted by baxtefer
(Post 5375252)
wow! possibly the dumbest track ends ever.
how are you supposed to tension your chain with those things when there's a hub in the way. and similarly, how are you supposed to slacken the chain to derail it when you can't get at the tensioner? |
Yeah, I agree about the dumb trackends.
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friend's got one, i've ridden it. personally if i was going to do aluminum i'd ride something else, but i'm a steel guy so there's your answer.
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Those are nasty. Id buy the one from Mexico or whereever first. Steel.
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Hard to go wrong for $150. Weren't these $200 just a month ago?
...actually, I remember the $200 or $250 Leader frame having different trackends--definately not whatever is on this one. It was black and also called the Messenger; maybe this one is the new model. |
Originally Posted by roadfix
(Post 5375340)
Yeah, I agree about the dumb trackends.
It's like Leader not only doesn't care about their customers, they actively hate them. |
Originally Posted by veggiemafia
(Post 5376130)
It's like Leader not only doesn't care about their customers, they actively hate them.
Could that kludge be removed, and a regular chain tug be used? Then it might be useable... OP-- bikeisland.com is selling the Mercier Kilo frame (minus fork, which is too bad) for about the same price, if you wanted a budget steel frame. |
Useful Information
Some of you are off the mark. 720TR frame in not intended for Track racing. This is a commuter fixie road geometry frame that does not require any changes to the dropouts. Even though the dropouts are made of solid Aluminum. You adjust the dropout chain tensioners once and that is it. They are also removable in case you want to use any other type of tensioner. This is our first fixie messenger style single speed road bike. The other $200 frame you mention is not made by us. We do make a 735TR model specific for track racing.
All bike companies will have negative information on these forums. Most is always the dark stuff or people who have never seen or rode the bike before. If you really want to read the good stuff here are some useful links: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...me=STRK:ME:UFS Or http://www.roadbikereview.com/mfr/le...2_2493crx.aspx Anyway it is nice to hear your interest in our product. You will not be disappointed. What ever you feel about the frame after your purchase please keep us informed on this forum. We do care about all our customers and every bike we sell. Our customers care so much about us they even write back: http://www.leaderbikestore.com/custo...stimonials.cfm Squag if you need a fork you can order it with the frame here: www.leaderbikestrore.com Brian |
Originally Posted by LeaderBike
(Post 5376868)
You adjust the dropout chain tensioners once and that is it.
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Originally Posted by LeaderBike
(Post 5376868)
Some of you are off the mark. 720TR frame in not intended for Track racing. This is a commuter fixie road geometry frame that does not require any changes to the dropouts. Even though the dropouts are made of solid Aluminum. You adjust the dropout chain tensioners once and that is it. They are also removable in case you want to use any other type of tensioner. This is our first fixie messenger style single speed road bike. The other $200 frame you mention is not made by us. We do make a 735TR model specific for track racing.
All bike companies will have negative information on these forums. Most is always the dark stuff or people who have never seen or rode the bike before. If you really want to read the good stuff here are some useful links: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...me=STRK:ME:UFS Or http://www.roadbikereview.com/mfr/le...2_2493crx.aspx Anyway it is nice to hear your interest in our product. You will not be disappointed. What ever you feel about the frame after your purchase please keep us informed on this forum. We do care about all our customers and every bike we sell. Our customers care so much about us they even write back: http://www.leaderbikestore.com/custo...stimonials.cfm Squag if you need a fork you can order it with the frame here: www.leaderbikestrore.com Brian |
Brian,
Thanks for chiming in. More companies should. |
chain tentioner
Dear roadfix,
These are the same tensioners we have used on over 2,000 time trial 780tt, 735tt, and 730tt frames. Sorry but we have never had any problems and do not expect any in the future. We did make them removable in case anyone wants to use the external mounted model but we doubt it will be necessary. Brian |
Originally Posted by LeaderBike
(Post 5377064)
Dear roadfix,
These are the same tensioners we have used on over 2,000 time trial 780tt, 735tt, and 730tt frames. Sorry but we have never had any problems and do not expect any in the future. We did make them removable in case anyone wants to use the external mounted model but we doubt it will be necessary. Brian That particular frame should be sold without the tensioners in place. :) |
Originally Posted by LeaderBike
(Post 5377064)
Dear roadfix,
These are the same tensioners we have used on over 2,000 time trial 780tt, 735tt, and 730tt frames. Sorry but we have never had any problems and do not expect any in the future. We did make them removable in case anyone wants to use the external mounted model but we doubt it will be necessary. Brian pull on the derailleur cage, loosen the tension on the chain and pop off the wheel. So, now try to do that without a derailleur and then you'll agree that your dropout design is ********. |
Two options
We made these bolts easy to screw in and out like butter. Also if you are using say a Sram single speed chain there will be no reason since the chain has the 2 Piece Snap-Lock.
Again if it is an inconvinience you can use external tensioners by removing the ones on the frame. Brian |
Originally Posted by LeaderBike
(Post 5377254)
We made these bolts easy to screw in and out like butter. Also if you are using say a Sram single speed chain there will be no reason since the chain has the 2 Piece Snap-Lock.
Again if it is an inconvinience you can use external tensioners by removing the ones on the frame. Brian |
Those track ends (minus the tensioner) look almost exactly like the ones on my jamie roy, and I never use chain tugs. I would just pull the bolts and not worry about it.
That frame looks pretty decent for the price. If I really needed a frame, I would consider it (though I like the look of the 735tr better). |
That's a sweet frame...are the decals under a clearcoat?
If that price included a fork, I'd be all in.. |
Originally Posted by LeaderBike
(Post 5377254)
We made these bolts easy to screw in and out like butter. Also if you are using say a Sram single speed chain there will be no reason since the chain has the 2 Piece Snap-Lock.
Again if it is an inconvinience you can use external tensioners by removing the ones on the frame. Brian |
Are the welds that nasty on other bikes? The ends look like they're stuck on with chewing gum.
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yeah, they're pretty nasty...
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I am at your service
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I think I know where this is going. Anyway we are doing a great service to the cycling community. We have been since 1999. I find the welds quite beautiful like a stack of dimes. I like to include a large blow up of the welds just to annoy the pundits.
Again the set screws are easy to loosen and provide enough slack to remove the chain. I will now pull out of this discussion because I feel it is heading into some kind of dark place. If anyone has a question please e-mail us at contact@leaderbikeusa.com Brian |
so final verdict?? Sounds like I'd be better off just removing the tensioners, not too much hassle for my inexperienced hands.
bike island was good but dont ship outside US so I'll keep looking, I might even go for the leader frame. It'd be great if it came without those decals though |
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