well the c-dale headshock design really does require extra effort to get it to work right. but with a regular mtb with 71/73 geometry and a 3" travel non-headshock fork then you end up lowering the front end about 3" with a regular MTB fixed fork and a little less with a road fork steepening it to maybe 73-74 deg. head angle (not insane) and 75-76 deg seat angle (kind of steep). depending of course on the bike you start with.