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skiding tires?

Old 11-12-07, 05:48 PM
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skiding tires?

i ride brakeless and ware out a lots of tires, fast. i stopped using a brake about 3 months ago and already went through 4 back tires (gear 44x15, lots of patches and i rotate the tire every 2 weeks).
every tire has its own feel, sound and road response in different conditions, and they all have different durability.

vitoria rubino-
great skider, great loud skiding sound, very relayable with stopping and flats (kevlar) good in the rain, great road grip, they even look great and i heard from some knolegable dude that "they last forever". and that might be true, but they dont last a minute when they slide. i just burned a hole in one yesterday. cost 30$.

no time tire, 15$-
not too bad. different type rubber, softer and smoother. tends to lose grip and control more than the vitoria but does a good job. sounds like squeeky rubber. i suppose it gets more flats, but didnt have that problem with tuffy. a better return for your money than any of the other i tried.

i used the front vitoria i had and again realized its perfect, but just dont last.

continental gatorskin-
got i lightly used. sounds like the no name and was made of the same type rubber. seams to stop faster, but absolutely useless in the rain, as if you're ice skating. skid stopping in medium speed on a downhill is a suicide.

again, i got a rubino. did i mention they sound beautiful?
i wore it to the tube.

hatchinson equinox-
had it for two days and it feels more sliding, easier to start a skid but have good braking power if you really sit on it and put weight on the back. so far feels good, i just wonder how long it will last. a cool thing about it is that its very quite. no one will turn their head. i have a feeling it will be awful in the rain, but that's not tested yet.

ok. so anyone has any insights? i only been through a few tires.
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Old 11-12-07, 05:48 PM
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wrong forum.
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Old 11-12-07, 05:56 PM
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Stop being stupid and get some f***ing brakes! Saves you a lot of work and money, and might just also save your life when you REALLY need to stop!
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Old 11-12-07, 06:17 PM
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yeah, especially where the OP lives too!!! No way to stop a bike going 50km in under 15m with a skidding rear tyre. With just a single brake, you can do that easily. All it takes is a bus or cab to pull out from a side street and that's it....
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Old 11-12-07, 06:17 PM
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Put the brake back on, get better at slowing your pedal stroke to stop, and go to the ssfg forum.

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Originally Posted by chakamaxon View Post
skid stopping in medium speed on a downhill is a suicide.
Yes. Yes it is.
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Not using brakes is perfectly acceptable, and in fact it is a requirement for riding











at a velodrome.

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Old 11-12-07, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CdCf View Post
Stop being stupid and get some f***ing brakes! Saves you a lot of work and money, and might just also save your life when you REALLY need to stop!
+1 . I don`t think he`s riding on the velodrome. Brakeless on the street is just stupid anywhere besides Iowa.
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Old 11-12-07, 07:58 PM
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honestly, people, no brakes does sound stupid, and i would agree with you all a few months ago.
i've been riding road bikes for years, moved to fixed gear because i found it better for city riding (i live in ny, and ride in all weather conditions) so brakeless still sounded stupid until i went on a ride with a messenger guy i know. not only he kicked my ass, he did it with a lot of style and grace. so i guess sometimes theory just doesnt apply to reality.
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Old 11-12-07, 08:08 PM
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if you burned a hole in your tire, you might want to read up on skid patches and gear ratios. Certain tooth combinations of chainrings/cogs will put the skid patch on a tire in a different place for every revolution of the crank. [edit: never mind--I read too fast]

maybe the messenger kicked your butt because he's just a better rider. I doubt that has anything to do with having/not having a brake.

Also: just because you have a brake doesn't mean you have to use it. You can still skid to your heart's content and use the brake only when necessary.

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Old 11-12-07, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by comradehoser View Post
if you burned a hole in your tire, you might want to read up on skid patches and gear ratios. Certain tooth combinations of chainrings/cogs will put the skid patch on a tire in a different place for every revolution of the crank.

maybe the messenger kicked your butt because he's just a better rider. I doubt that has anything to do with having/not having a brake.

Also: just because you have a brake doesn't mean you have to use it. You can still skid to your heart's content and use the brake only when necessary.
his gear/cog combo gives him 15 ski patches. but other than that...

i agree with your post whole-hearthly
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Old 11-12-07, 08:24 PM
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You know, brakes are much, much cheaper than tires. I bought two Dura Ace pads for $6 today, and they'll last me for probably about a year.
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Old 11-12-07, 08:40 PM
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Sorry to give you actual input, rather than criticizing your bike choice, which clearly concerns me...

I was going through the $10 bontrager sport tires a mile a minute, I just got a $30 bontrager "hard-case, thorn resistant" tire on the back, and have had good luck with it so far. A little quieter/worse gripping than some others, because of the harder durometer rubber. It hasn't rained here since I got it, so no idea in the wet.
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Old 11-12-07, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by chakamaxon View Post
honestly, people, no brakes does sound stupid, and i would agree with you all a few months ago.
i've been riding road bikes for years, moved to fixed gear because i found it better for city riding (i live in ny, and ride in all weather conditions) so brakeless still sounded stupid until i went on a ride with a messenger guy i know. not only he kicked my ass, he did it with a lot of style and grace. so i guess sometimes theory just doesnt apply to reality.
Lets say you and I race down a hill in NYC. At the bottom of the hill is a traffic light......Oh nevermind, Darwin knew his sh*t.
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Old 11-12-07, 09:56 PM
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why is everyone hating on this kid? **** em. keep skidding and keep brakeless if you like it. keep popping as many tires as you want if you can afford it. And if you can; send me some tires too... thanks.
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Everyone is hating because its ****ing ridiculous to be going through tires that fast just with everyday riding, unless that riding consists of hella gnargnar trickzor seshunz in the park with your homeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez
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vittoria rando, I have been skidding on it daily for probably 3 months now. HAWT SEKS
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Originally Posted by glenng View Post
+1 . I don`t think he`s riding on the velodrome. Brakeless on the street is just stupid anywhere besides Iowa.
Because Iowa's flat, right? Bzzzt. Some, yes. Lots of it: nope. Funny how many out-of-state RAGBRAI first timers can be heard saying "I thought Iowa was flat!"

That said, I have a brake on my fix, which I use periodically. Even though I can get 'spensive tires relatively cheaply, I have a hard time seeing skidding as a non-emergency way to stop. But that's me.... I'm old and I have a kid.
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Old 11-12-07, 11:31 PM
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Whatever man, he's developing his soulful psychic awareness of the universe around him. He'll know at least 50 feet before anyone cuts him off. Brakes make you blind. Man.
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one reason i restrain from skidding is because of this tire problem

maybe check bike shop dumpsters
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Originally Posted by jasonknight View Post
Because Iowa's flat, right? Bzzzt. Some, yes. Lots of it: nope. Funny how many out-of-state RAGBRAI first timers can be heard saying "I thought Iowa was flat!"

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I`ve riden your state from Sioux City to Galena and its flat as a flap jack. Your state is an A cup, my state is a D-cup. We got hills, all you got is wind.

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