I think you have it backwards: it's the Rohloff that costs an arm and a testicle. The Nexus 8 and especially the SRAM Spectro S-7 can be had for cheap.

Rather, the slight problem I envision now is the rear dropout spacing, though steel frames can be cold-set without any problem. We're talking only 5mm per side (120 to 130mm).

yeah, i meant that the rohloff would cost Waaay more than a new frame, not just as much as.

at least arm + testicle, it depends on what you're worth.

Gios. Basically track geometry for the road.

http://www.excelsports.com/image/Gio...out%20Fork.jpg

i've actually been trying to find an old crit in my size and price range (i.e. not a half g or more for the frame) for over a year with no luck.

and finding a road bike with track geometry in general is WAY harder than finding a track frame.

Except for the one I posted RIGHT BEFORE YOUR POST. Jesus, I am done with this place.

well i dont see a link in your post and im betting that that thing costs more than a couple hundred bucks.

and i think my post got deleted for calling you a ****bag.

Google is your friend. You do the work.

i just did and, suprise, that thing retails for 900 bucks no fork.

i still say that track geometry road bikes are harder to find than plain old track bikes

and i think yer being a dick just for the sake of it.

Your cheapest option is to use a very basic derailleur with an integrated hanger:
http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?c...%20Derailleurs
you will need to cold set the rear triangle (or whatever its called) and rout the shifter cable over the top tube (doable with clamp-on cable stops) and then rig up a couple of stops on the seat stays (pipe clamps?)

you probably will want to use only one ring on the front so you'll have to find a way to keep the chain from jumping off. You can use a guard in place of the outside ring and a jump stop on the inside. I've always liked this idea but never tried it.

"Half g" is colloquial for $500, did you know that? The OP ignored you because the lugged frame you posted is obviously outside the scope of the OP's budget for this project.

Do you understand?

If you are going to assume full MSRP for everything then there's no basis for discussion here. He's obviously doing a hack job and it will likely be sourced off Ebay or some used transaction anyway so you point is moot.

Do you understand?

hahaha

duder just sent me a pm saying "must suck to be poor"



please find me one of those anywhere for under 500 bucks and i'll concede to your point.

Its encouraging that there are people on here who would ride a road bike with track geometry. I am impressed with the discussion on this topic. After reading all the posts it looks like I have several options to consider. 1. a Crit bike, this is completely new to me. The concept sounds interesting and a good option. 2. Custom, not an option right now. 3. Track bike already set up, hanger and the etc...

I already have a track frame that I' m eyeing right now that is similar to the Dave Russel posted earlier. Its in my price range $600. I didn't want to spend too much on it considering I already have a few track frames, I dont think the wife would appreciate another bike in the house. I took a look at that Yamaguchi on the 1st page http://velospace.org/node/1753, wow! inspiration :) DAMM!!! that GIOS frame is ****ing amazing. What frame is that?

TDHK

gios road compact - virtually unchanged for 20+ years and the object of scorn amonst the working class, apparently

I have a crit bike, cannondale is a good start since their track frame and current caad9 is virtually the same geometry.

are you kidding me?

you're actually surprised that it's hard to find road bikes with geometry designed not for the road?

JHC, you people never heard of claw type RD's? Standard on pretty much every low end walmart bike in the world.

P.S When is somebody going to post that converted Yamaguchi?

shhhh.... don't derail the flaming ;)


yeah, you could just toss on of those on with a 120mm 5-6 or whatever speed road wheel and toss on a shifter, but that would be easy. You could probably do the whole setup with a (semi)decent derailleur/shifter/wheel for well under a hundred bones if you looked around.

Frame was posted earlier but here's a complete build: http://velospace.org/node/1753http://velospace.org/files/built-guch.jpg

yeah cannondales current track frame is caad9 road geometry, not "track" geometry. ive worked at the cdale factory and currently own 3 of them so lets not start there.

the gios you tout is badass, but not for the "working class" unless working class means spending almost a grand on a bike frame.

what exactly are you trying to prove here?

My 1980's custom Serotta crit frame is steeper and shorter than my Panasonic track frame. More overlap, shorter chainstays, ect. In fact, it isn't all that comfortable for long road races or centuries.

I guess two pages in a thread are way too much for you to read, huh?

I picked up an ACS derailleur adapter off eBay last summer designed for BMX bikes. Came w/a 16 & 17T freewheel. Uses a short cage derailleur.

how has MIN not been banned for being such a smug, worthless prick? people have been banned for less.

if you get lucky you can find road bikes with steep head angles and short rake to make the bike feel stable and want to lean more...those are 19mm tires on the motta...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2378/...89fe26e4_o.jpg

i am/was so close to sending a letter to a certain frame builder to see about getting something like this built...but i just don't know...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2052/...33fa8dec_o.jpg