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any forks with less rake?

Old 02-13-08, 07:53 PM
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any forks with less rake?

i have an 06 fuji track, and i'm looking for a new for with less rake.
i have no idea how to measure, nor what is compatable with my frame.

any help would be greatly appreciated
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You don't know how to measure rake yet you look for a fork with less rake. What do you think rake means? Why do you think that you need less rake?
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Old 02-13-08, 08:13 PM
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i'm looking for cranks with more spin plz
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Old 02-13-08, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MIN View Post
You don't know how to measure rake yet you look for a fork with less rake. What do you think rake means? Why do you think that you need less rake?
i know what rake is. and i've rode my friends bike, who's fork had less rake, and i liked how it felt.

this is the second time i've posted this thread, and got replys only about why i don't know more about forks.
if i knew more about bikes, i wouldn't have joined this website.
**** off man.
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Old 02-13-08, 08:28 PM
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What people are trying to tell you is that your bike was designed with a specific geometry, that includes the fork rake. If you really want a bike with twitchier handling the best move would be to buy a whole new frame with a tighter geometry. No one is making fun of you for not knowing this, just trying to help.
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Old 02-13-08, 08:28 PM
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The "feel" of a bike mainly comes from the combination of Head tube angle and fork rake. Manufacturers choose a fork to match the frames geometry. It is not wise to be swapping out forks like a new saddle or something.

All that being said the bianchi pista fork has 28mm of rake which is the least amount of rake I have seen on a fork.
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Old 02-13-08, 09:16 PM
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HOLLA!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...highlight=rake
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Hey Patric, I swapped my stock fork out for one with less rake and am extremely pleased. Go for it. I went for a steamroller fork (38 rake). Depending on what size frame you have the fork has a rake of either 40 or 45 (its the same as fork offset) http://fujibikes.com/2008/sg.asp?id=418 .
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Old 02-13-08, 09:22 PM
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can he just want tighter clearances.....because it looks cool
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Originally Posted by patric View Post
i know what rake is. and i've rode my friends bike, who's fork had less rake, and i liked how it felt.

this is the second time i've posted this thread, and got replys only about why i don't know more about forks.
if i knew more about bikes, i wouldn't have joined this website.
**** off man.
temper temper little cry baby. your headtube angle, fork length, and it's rake all come together to give your bike a certain amount of trail... trail is the measurement from your tire's contact patch to the projected distance where the angle of your headtube would intersect the ground. trail is ultimately what effects a bike's handling... amongst other factors. so, perhaps you should do some research on trail... or just tell me to asterisk off and be angered by your own ignorance.
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Old 02-14-08, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by patric View Post
i have an 06 fuji track, and i'm looking for a new for with less rake.
i have no idea how to measure, nor what is compatable with my frame.

any help would be greatly appreciated
Gene Spicer's the man you're looking for Patric. Just give him an email info@spicercycles.com basically you'll be spending about a hundred bucks or you can wait it out on Ebay hoping to find a gem that'll fit your bike. make sure you measure you steerer tube and figure out if you want to go threaded or threadless. He has both. His forks have 38mm rake which should be a little tighter than the stock fork on the fuji, at least his fork should look alot better. I'm not sure if the 06 is the blue version or the red version of the fuji track, either way he should have black and chrome in stock, so you'll be good to go.
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Old 02-14-08, 02:32 AM
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A fork with less rake will give you more trail and therefore a lot more "stable"/ slower handling. Is that what you want?
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Old 02-14-08, 09:50 AM
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I appreciate patric's question.

I love talking about this stuff because I learn something new each time we go over it.

The Fuji has a slightly relaxed head tube angle (HTA), compared to the Pista.

The Fuji HTA varies with frame size, becoming steeper with the larger frames, with a HTA of 73.5 degrees at the two largest sizes.
The Fuji fork has 40mm of rake.

In comparison, a Pista has a 75 degree HTA and 28mm of rake.

Rake moves the axle forward and aft in relation to the intersection of the HTA and the ground, so that a shorter rake moves the axle less further forward in relationship with the intersection of the HTA and the ground.

If we dropped a plumb line from the axle to the ground (the point of tire contact with the ground), and measured how far behind the intersection of the HTA and the ground this placed the tire contact point, this would give us a measurement of TRAIL.

The greater the trail, the more stable the bike.

Conversely, though, the steeper the HTA, the quicker the steering; thus, the Pista has uncommonly quick steering and, yet, good stability.

So, if patric put a fork with a shorter rake on his Fuji, it would make his Fuji more stable.

EXCEPT, we don't know the total height of the Fuji fork compared to the Pista fork, and, if the Pista has a shorter fork than the Fuji, this would tilt the Fuji frame forward, or nose-low, thus increasing the effective HTA of the Fuji.
Conversely, if the Pista has a longer fork than the Fuji, this would raise the nose of the Fuji frame, and relax the HTA of the Fuji, thus slowing down the steering of the Fuji.

In all of this, we have failed to discuss the changes in distance from the bottom bracket shell to the front axle that changing forks would cause.
The distance from the bottom bracket shell to the front axle also impacts handling, but I don't know enough about it to discuss it.

From memory, the Surly Steamroller has 38mm of rake, however, I don't know how that would look with the Fuji frame.

A replacement Pista fork costs $60 and a Steamroller fork costs $85.

If one has the money to experiment, he can, and the world won't come to an end.

The bike will handle differently...for good or bad.
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less rake in this case offers a more stable ride, assuming he goes to a fork with similar crown height. some people refer to this as sluggish, others like it because it allows easier hands free control. there's nothing wrong with wanting less rake/more trail.
That said, different sizes of fuji track come with different fork rakes. check the fuji site to find out what fork your size comes with (they call it "offset" on their site). once you have that info, you'll know if you can get a bike with less rake.
if it's 45 mm, you'll have lots of choices. if it's 40mm, not so much.
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Here's the opposite question, putting a 38mm fork on a pista. Is the 10mm increase in rake significant enough to be noticeably while riding?
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Originally Posted by snot69 View Post
Here's the opposite question, putting a 38mm fork on a pista. Is the 10mm increase in rake significant enough to be noticeably while riding?
Not really. I went to 43mm. Slightly less toe overlap.
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Old 02-14-08, 01:26 PM
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Soma makes a nice fork but it is 38mm--
not a huge difference

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Originally Posted by snot69 View Post
Here's the opposite question, putting a 38mm fork on a pista. Is the 10mm increase in rake significant enough to be noticeably while riding?
I'm not sure if it's my imagination or not but when I first rode my pista with a 38mm rake I could just barely notice the difference. Now it just feels normal, but no more 700c barspins (not that I can even barspin).
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Originally Posted by MIN View Post
You don't know how to measure rake yet you look for a fork with less rake. What do you think rake means? Why do you think that you need less rake?

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