well, oriental technically refers to people of the middle east, china japan and korea just got tacked on due to ignorance...

oh, and you called me dr. literacy twice.

if i misread your post, then it's because you didn't even know what thread you're in. it's a thread about buying custom from boutique frame builders, dude.

and i guess i assumed that you meant money in circulation would be spent on cooler ****, by consumers, as we all know that the US government just builds bombs to kill brown with our taxes.

Its not the forks tubing its the thread on the fork, the actual fork would never cripple. My girl rides a newish vivalo, we took it to a framebuilder and he recomended we replace the fork. Still, seen many vivalos pass through and no fatalities so far.

Having pancakes with Vermont maple syrup in Montreal?

I'm so lost.

Trader Joes got the Grade B going if you have those around...

What exactly is wrong with the threading? Does it give way?

ye it gives way, would have liked to see the look on the racers face when it first happened.

....does anyone know how old a frame(s) it was that gave out? I imagine pretty new.

Judging by the stickers, the one in the thread is much older.....hence safe!?!?

I've read all six pages of this thread, and I can't remember what the OP asked, I think it was, "what's the difference?"

I think that was answered, then the discussion moved onto singing the praises of local buying right?

I agree with dh. It's funny when people say buying local injects money into your locality and in turn improves the local economy while also singing the praises of capitalism and the spirit of America.

Capitalism's operational definition in our culture is synonymous with consumer savings and globalization. So to have a business you shouldn't rely on sympathy, work should speak for itself- if the japanese custom keirin frames are as made to customer specifications with comparable quality for less than what American custom frames buy the effin' asian stuff.

Didn't outsourcing coupled with the rise the global marketplace catalyze innovation and consumer savings (and almost destroy the american auto industry)? What did we get? Better cars, more money, more innovation spurred on by competition.

At the risk of sounding hyperbolic/vituperative, if we're going to talk about supporting localities and saving the world- we can do a whole lot more than product support our own esoteric community; like participating in local government, volunteering at a bike co-op, et cetera.

I digress- I don't ideologically agree with globalization/free market and I really wanna go all socialist on everyone, so I'll express my practical opinion that if you're going to "buy" into a consumerist community that relies on buying technological advancements to improve ride quality, aesthetics, et cetera- we shouldn't be even arguing. Do what's good for you and don't get all self righteous.

My Vivalo is stamped 1998 so I hope it's old enough for the fork to stay together. It's also basically NOS.

I was told from a keirin racer that rode Vivalo's it was the fork supplied on the frames that were built around a month and a half to 2 months prior to the crash at Ito. He said anything before or after that should be OK. Also there is a way to check by looking at the fork from the bottom and seeing the # of drillings. Sorry I forgot if it was 2 or 3 that was the OK forks and I don't know the technical name of what these drilled holes are called.

When was that crash?

It was in August 2007

I was told Vivalo are trading in forks from frames built from 2005. Dont know for sure, ring them and quote your serial... I`m sure their eager to hear from us street riding gaijins on how their forks are handling the bumps and curbs.

i don't care, gimme any handmade (or even partially as long as it's structurally sound) frame and fork that is close to my size and a quality tubeset and i'll ride it.
bob jackson, mercian, kalavinka, marinoni, landshark, della santa, yamaguchi, ciocc, merckx, cinelli, gazelle, bridgestone, eimei, zunow, motta, don or cecil walker, ken evans, pog', de rosa, ed litton, grandis, nagasawa, masi, miele, concorde, godefroot, raliegh/carlton, ron cooper, casati, colnago, guerciotti...preference is given to clean, simple classic lug work and dual plate fork crowns though.

Did you omit on purpose the following: Fuji, Bianchi, IRO, 3RENSHO
?

EDIT: I originally put Pogliaghi on the shortlist, forgetting that it's a vintage brand.

that's not a complete list.
add:
san rensho, makino, stan miles, brian rourke, chas roberts and dave russell. i can't think of the guys name that used to build in houston, preist has one of his frames....i'm only human....oh yeah, i forgot rossin too. there are so many more also. the list is very extensive and tiring.
i'll also take a good looking frame who's builder cannot be identified. send them my way guys.

How about our very own Don Walker

edit: never mind, just way waayyy too sleepy. sry.

he's in there. don walker AND cecil walker.

ok, i'd take a sachs too, lol.
https://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?...ne_08/L1010441
https://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?...ne_08/L1010442

that's a large fellow and he's been riding that sachs since '75 or '76. quality.

There are a lot more NJS builders building than listed.
..and most of the non-listed ones are the coolest ones.

Come on, hit us with the list of the less well-known NJS builders!

Here are some:
Bomber Pro, Reminton, Giro, Georama, Level, Stratos, Watanabe, Vogue, Anchor, Uno, Umezawa, Iribe, Peloton...

So you're saying you're not a native inhabitant of the occident?

At it's simplest, the difference in price is that Keirin frames are disposable tools (admittedly very sexy and well made disposable tools) and the U.S. frames you mention are luxury items meant to last a lifetime.

While he's not a Keirin builder, Richard Sachs says that he spends less than a day on each of his team's cross frames, which are made in batches, whereas a custom road frame takes about 16 hours of bench time.

Why on earth wouldn't a builder charge more for a one off artisanal frame than for a handmade race frame?

Well they can be found on Tomity's site https://homepage.mac.com/tomity/PhotoAlbum37.html but based on frames ive seen, and my preferences, Kiyo Miyazawa, Ohtaki, and Baramon are the coolest builders going.

Anchor "less well-known NJS builder"????