More application details and fitting examples on different bikes and riders. I switched from Brooks on my latest bike as the saddle rails are too short compared to plastic saddles and I couldn't find a seat post with enough setback.

How about a Sheldon dedicated saddle? He was a huge proponent!

You seam to be the only one who loves the current website. Why do you like it?
Andrea

The picture was not stolen. He posted it in the "People and Their Stories" section agreeing that we could use it. He also received a 50% discount coupon to buy 2 saddles as a prize!
Andrea

Andrea, you have a spelling mistake and/or grammatical error on every page. PM me if you want a list, but basically you need a proofreader to go over every page - and soon.

http://tommcmahon.typepad.com/photos...flowchart2.gif

I don't have any input on the website but I like the machine-thing that appears while the page loads.

edit: You guys should get more photos of the model from your pdf!

Well it's a good thing plastic isn't made from petroleum. Oh wait, it is.

All throw away goods are bad goods. Cheap leather keychains, cheap leather shoes, cheap plastic shoes, plastic bottled water, etc. I think a brooks saddle falls into the "I am passing this down to my kid" category. I wear leather boots and I take them to a cobbler. They will probably last me 10 years if I get the soles replaced every so often. I see nothing wrong with that.

riding someone else's saddle is kinda grody. no one is going to ride their dad's saddle.

if you do, you're one step away from wearing his cycling bib.

bottom line, the animals-as-products industry is selfish and irresponsible. the idea of supporting it is disgusting, and i have no qualms about posting my opinion about it on a public webforum.

Yes please no flash, especially that noisy intro.

I like the sections about what goes into making a saddle (pictures from the factory,etc.)
Stories and testimonials from riders are always great.

If you want a good example of minimal flash usage, I like rivendell cycles' site. (http://www.rivendellbicycles.com/)

You can do a ton with css as opposed to flash, basic elements of the site should basically work transparently, not load with tons of sound and flashy graphics.

That's not to say I don't like the site, but I would expect a company like brooks to have a simpler site that just works, kind of like your saddles.

I LOVE my B17 by the way.

I meant that in the it will last a very long time way. For the record, I wear my pa's jacket, and even some of his shirts from his college days. I'm a big fan of keeping things around and using them a long time.

Bottom line: anything thats used for throw away and not in moderation is selfish. I will use my motorcycle jacket until the day I die, it is leather with synthetic armor. I see no reason why I should wear something else that either won't last as long or isn't the right material for the job. Needless overproduced goods that aren't used in moderation and are tossed aside is the selfish and irresponsible act, it doesn't matter if it is made from leather, plastic or friggan happy-fun-vegan-organic-soy-hemp-freerange rainbows.

why are you assuming that a non-leather saddle is going to be thrown away in a month or something?
for the record, people throw away brooks. if i know of some, then there are probably tons out there.
great that you keep things forever. however, most americans don't, which is why the animals-as-products industry is such a horrible one.

I am not assuming a non-leather saddle is going to be tossed. For the record I use a synthetic saddle myself. Had it for 5 years on the one bike and another 10 years. If people are tossing brooks or other expensive (by expensive I mean, uses a lot of natural resources / causes pollution) items quickly then they are the problem you should be targeting not the leather industry.

My grandmother was talking about the throw away culture shift that happened to them when bleach and other house hold chemicals stopped coming in glass jars but instead plastic. She said they boycotted every company that did that until there were no more places to get glass bottles for those products anymore. I never really thought of my grandparents as people who were into that sort of thing. It got me thinking and really spun my perspective some. I now believe it's not the industries we need to change. Corporations are always going to make the product people want, if Company X stops making bad for the environment widgets, then Company Y will start up and corner the market. It is the market that needs to change.

You want to get rid of throw-away culture? Educate the people first. The industries will follow.

Someone might have mentioned it already, but I hate the spring-cutting engine and its screeches and knocks when the flash site is loading up. It always blows out my ears.

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Hi Mander. I'm Luke. Who the f*ck are you? I accused no one of anything. But I think now I'll accuse you of being a ******bag. Huggles

I'm Andrew. In the thread, http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=390144, you *did* say

This isn't the same thing as a direct accusation, so i put "sorta-kinda" up front. However the general conclusion everyone came to, right away, was that Brooks had taken the photo without asking you, either through out and out theft or through some less-than-classy loophole somewhere in velospace's terms and conditions. That was the effect your words had, regardless of whether you directly put it in. And as you have seen in this thread, the idea that brooks screwed you did get around, at least as far as dcfixed.

But, did you see the :D and the :P? I'm just baggin man. You deserve at least a little of that. Relax.

Flash is a form of art and the Brooks site is well done. I like it.
I do think it is passe unless it is making a comeback. In my industrial markets, I very successfully switched from mailers to fax to email to flash to e-news to interactive web sites and back to mailers, staying ahead of the curve so my message stays fun and fresh to the targeted recipient.

Brooks, based on this forum's feedback, go with an option so the viewer can choose the flash entertainment.

BTW
Very nice market surveying. Every one of us responders is a little bit more in favor of your product because you asked and likely value our opinions. You've a lot of fans.

http://www.scottandbiccy.com/albums/...ernetFight.jpg

abo8ut brooks.......
site is kinda cool.... i think everything else has pretty much been suggested
as far as saddles other colors would be hot... and ive always wanted brooks toe straps.....why no strapsZZ!! lolZ

We are working on a new generation of Brooks Saddles.
We will also address the "made of dead animal skin" issue.

i'd personally like to see a section on modified saddles.

i also like a little bit more detailed information about saddle care than what's available. from what's there it seems that brooks is in denial about the wide range of options available to folks who want to use something more than just proofide on their saddles. pushing proofide and only proofide might sell you a couple extra tins, but i'm not sure it's helping you sell saddles.

i'll echo the sentiments about less flash, NO sound, and add pdfs to the list of things i'd like to see gone.

Hey I have a small brooks product-related beef. I find the Brooks saddle cover completely useless, because it lets water soak through at about the point where water would stop beading up on a proofided brooks and begin to soak in. I need something that will actually keep the saddle dry if i leave my bike outside in the pouring rain, otherwise I might as well not have anything on there. If you guys made a cover that actually kept water out I wouldn't tell so many people to get an aardvark from VO instead. :)

Not to swerve off-topic (I replied to Andrea in the other Brooks thread) but Grandma ain't seeing the big picture at times.

1 Plastic is much lighter, less cost to transport
2 Plastic doesn't shatter when the container is dropped
3 Plastic bottles require less energy overall to manufacture / recycle

Sometime disposable is actually better, assuming we can harness the waste stream and recover that which can be recycled.

Oh you are right, grandma wasn't seeing the big picture but her head was in the right place. The problem we have now a days as people get so behind one thing whether it be "plastics are the only way to go!" or "all animal products are bad!" you have people saying absolutes. Nothing is absolute. There are times plastics rock, and times leather rocks.

Haha, I actually do ride my dad's old saddle and its a Brooks.

The new cover is 100% waterproof. It's available since 1 year, but maybe some shops still sell the old one which was not working very well.

Cool beans. Thanks for letting us know.

EDIT: Hey I have another brooks beef/ question. Why do Brooks saddles (or at least the b17 and the pro, both of which I use) curve up in the back? Lots of users have to point the saddle upwards to avoid sliding forwards and putting weight on our wrists and perinea. But then the saddle still tends to want to press on your perinieum. I have modded mine with tight lacing to flatten out the tops a bit. This works, but it would be cool for me to be able to get a brooks that came pre-flattened. Lots of old leather saddles like Ideales seem to have flat tops, has Brooks ever considered putting out a model with this feature?

I'd like to know what this "new generation" looks like. Any hints?

Sarcasm, I hope.

i missed this initially. i'm curious...

I hope the vinyl mattress saddle is making a comeback. :D

http://gallery.mac.com/bbattle/10007...11907319450002

Yeah, I don't know of any synthetic material that would conform to the shape of someone's ass like a Brooks does, so I'm very interested in seeing how Brooks would make a saddle without leather. Or perhaps they're going to source some kind of free-range or "cruelty-free" leather, though I'm not entirely sure what that would be.

Anyway, what about green issues? I hate that buzzword, but it's apt here. In particular, I'm curious what Brooks is doing or can do about the terrible chemicals used in leather tanning. It sounds minor, but stuff like that is how my girlfriend decides what she buys and doesn't buy.

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