Damn!

Bianchi San Jose, FTW.



http://gallery.mac.com/bbattle/100046/P1010070/web.jpg

I've got a Trek rack and their quick-release grocery bag panniers on the back. Also some polycarbonate fenders for the wet streets.

Hey, was just following your example of over-exaggeration. Guess you don't like being a hypocrite much. People like you just don't like to hear the truth.

that's actually really nice, but you're right, a bit on the pricier side for a util bike. then again, i'll probably be using this around once a week, which might warrant more of an investment...
def. something to consider, thanks.

ed: "$600 which includes frame, a fork, fenders painted to match, headset and seatpost"
really not all that expensive...

Surly Cross Check

those kogswell porteurs look like great bikes. if i move to a bike-friendly city i'll be picking one up for sure.

they really do, nice stuff indeed. the multiple fork option is also pretty great.
however, i just found out my friend can do the one-way for $450. the more i look at it, the more i realize it's probably the most sensible choice. and to be honest, it seems to suit my needs quite nicely.

Yeah, that seems reasonable - hard to beat a One Way for $450.
The Kogswell P/Rs also take 650 wheels, which is cool from a performance perspective, but you probably don't have a spare 650 wheelset kicking around in your house that you could fling on it. Still seems like a nce way to get a Rivendell-style practical retro frame at a much more reasonable cost.

Does the One Way actually have rack mounts or just fender mounts?

Slap some panniers on that rack and get back to me.....

The PR made by Kogswell is a 650b bike--
I think I've seen some of these fixed and they get
great reviews. But it is a different wheel set so
Spooki would couldn't use wheels he may already have. . .
but it would be a cool bike.

The Surly Cross-Check will give you what you want. Rear rack mounts, you can use P-Clamps up front or mount a Nitto M10 rack and put a Wald basket on there.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2303/...49def5.jpg?v=0

rack mounts. you can see them if you zoom in (the description also mentions them).

For some reason the Raleigh site doesn't work with FireFox on the two computers I tried it on.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/126/3...815f84fb29.jpg http://www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/d.f.j.woo...ages/kaff2.jpg

These offer the possibility of both fenders and rack:
http://sunnypowers.perso.cegetel.net...dropout_sm.JPG
Not sure why all the hate on the Il Pompino. It's not even that expensive as a frame.

http://www.raleighusa.com/images/ite...ay_Black-f.jpg

ziemas, does that work?

because (based on what people are saying), there's not enough chainstay clearance for the panniers baskets.
heel strike on a fixed gear is not something i can afford, especially with a full load of groceries.

My gf has never had any problems with her heels hitting the panniers on her Planet X Kaffenback, which is the same frame as the Il Pompino, just with track ends. It was the small size too. Granted, they were pretty shallow panniers.
Yet I have bit my heels sometimes with my San Jose, so its all about careful placement. You do not need two eyelets for rack and fenders. Just double that ish up and ride.
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6...kwheelslh9.jpg

People? Don't worry about what Ziemas is saying, these are his feet:
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thu...clown_feet.jpg
See what his problem is? He's over-cautious about heel strike.

WTF? It's a real concern for those of use who actually use racks and panniers, and you take it as a personal attack. :rolleyes:
I'd rather give people practical info rather than stroke my ego.

Jaa, the photo works, but it's too small to see any detail.

Spooki, if I were you I'd just get my hands on an old touring bike and convert it with whatever spare wheel you have lying around. This will be one of the cheapest ways to go, and one of the most effective. It'll have all the brazeons and heel clearance you want, and geometrically it'll be designed to function as a load carrier, with no compromises. If i had mo money i'd go for the kogswell porteur for sure though, those bikes are very cool.

One potential problem with a touring bike is that they have very low bottom brackets.

FWIW, I haul around a lot of stuff on a daily basis and after looking at the options for a fixed hauler settled on the Rob Roy because of it's chainstay length (42.5cm) and the fact that it can take larger tires with fenders.

kinda sold.
on the one way. it also has 42.5 cm chainstays, takes cross tires, has front and rear rackmounts, and space/mounts for fenders.
and again, at 450 for a complete, i can't really think of a why not.

my only "complaint" is that the rear wheel is free/fixed; i was hoping to put a fixed fixed on, as both my gf and i ride fixed, though she prefers a much more agile ratio (she spins, i mash).
i'll probably replace the rear wheel with a 36 spoke fixed/fixed.

ps, our inseams are the same, and we're both 5'7". pm the best thing in the universe, incidentally.
good for sharing bikes, too.
;)

The kilo tt has rack mounts.

Why don't you contact Tony and see if he can accommodate your needs for a free/fixed wheel? He's very customer service oriented.

chainstays are too short for panniers.