NitroPye

Try some real mountain biking then you'll know why we like them

cristobal41

In Spainish you should say: "Tengo una norma en mi vida: siempre que hayas que escribir y dejar pistas, ten cuidado con lo que escribes, nunca sabes quién lo va a leer".

I am thinking about three bikes, very different ones, by the way, but it is just a caprice. So, it there are no more rules than I like it. Jamis Exile 2008, Redline D460, Niner One and Trek 69er. The first one can turn into geared without problems, the Redline is so simple and beautiful. The niner and the Trek 69er are no way back singlespeeds. Therefore, the two las ones are too expensive for you not to be able to turn them into a 1x9 if I can handle the 1x1 as I would like, due to that I am not Travis Brown and my shape is far from his.
I could turn the Redline, maybe the nicest, into a 1x1 and back if I do not enjoy this configuration. Viceversa for the Exile. These two bikes are more into a budget and can be easily sold here in Spain where 1x1 is merely anecdotal. But in the case of the Trek 69er ( i am not sure about having a fork) and the Niner One it will be a problem if I cannot upgrade (downgrade in this forum) to gears.

Come on, concerns.

cristobal41

Four bikes, not three.

Sorry.

cristobal41

Would internal hubs resist a light off road use? I have another bikes more focused into MTB, so I won't ride long trails, bumping sections or similar. I want a simple bike because my 5 years old son is to start with his BMX rocket and I want an specific bike to hang out with him and improve my skills and shape using a 1x1. I am sorry if it sounds like the Paris Hilton's wishlist, but when things roll, it is the moment to do it and there's no reason why to exhibit it but neither to hide it.

See you.

wroomwroomoops

I do real mountainbiking and I hate deraileurs, too.

Singlespeed MTB is the ****, really. It's pure fun.

NitroPye

Oh SS MTB is fun, but for some all mountain stuff a derailleur is needed. Granny gears become almost essential as does being able to downshift to get a proper ratio for being able to pop your front up using pedal power so you can keep your arms focusing on picking a line.

dynaryder

Specialized Globe IG models have rear V's,there was also another bike that had them,but I can't remember what it was off the top of my head. But they are rare.

For the OP,have you considered building up a Surly Karate Monkey? I has track ends and a der hanger and is designed for 29's.

Peedtm

1. People buy XTR and the SRAM line of isht.
2. Saint rear hubs use beefier axles and the derailer attaches to the axle itself. You need a thicker axle to put a Saint derailer on to.

I strongly urge you to pick a bike designed to do more, rather than getting clever and forcing it with a use-specific bike. The Karate Monkey is an awesome Idea. Plus you'll get the fun of building it yourself, or at least getting to pick out all the parts for a shop to put together.

cristobal41

Does it seem that the Trek 69er has a regular hub with spacers? (https://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=129126)
Nice option the Surly, but is more expemsive and difficult to make your own bike from Spain, where 1x1 are not popular and Surly has no dealer.

See you.

riderx

False and false.

Peedtm

Regular hub, custom cog.

ANd to keep harping. . .
I see 69ers for about 2000 (all figures in USD)
You can buy a karate monkey frame online for 450 (+ S&H - 150 at most)
Wheelset 300, crankset + BB 200, disc brakes 200, bars + stem 100, pedals 50, chain + grips etc. 50

NitroPye

How is that false? I see nothing wrong with riding the trails SS or even fixed I see some advantages to that, but for some of the tougher all mountain riding gears makes a heck of a lot more sense. I've ridden up some **** that would have been impossible to do without the lowest possible gearing. I do think that 27 speeds is a bit much for a MTB but there are definitely types of riding / places to ride where not having gear ratio switching on the fly will be almost impossible without stopping or altering your route.

Saying "False and false" is a real pig headed statement without any sort of argument behind it and it translates to "my dick is bigger".

wroomwroomoops

The ON-ONE Inbred 29er was another do-all frame, and I liked it more than the Karate Monkey because it had sliding dropouts.

I will never understand why ON-ONE doesn't make it anymore.

riderx

You are speaking in absolutes (or damn close to it).
I am saying this is not true, a derailluer is not needed. Maybe some riders want it, maybe some need it, but not everyone does. I know plenty of riders who don't and we aren't riding some flat land, buffed out singletrack.

And I'm saying this is false too. Needing a granny to pop your front wheel up? Most riders, even ones running 27 gears, don't want to be in granny for this and certainly don't need to be. In fact I'd said in most cases it will just make it harder. And the keeping your arms focusing on picking a line gave me a chuckle too.

Look, if you are going to make bold sweeping statements, be prepared for someone to disagree with you.

No, but if you want to play that line...I didn't need a granny to pop my front wheel up so my arms could focus on picking a line. Didn't need a freewheel either.

NitroPye

I said some riding. Not even close to absolutes.

There are still some rather intense trail spots that a pal on a SS will have to either plan a different line around, or won't be able to accomplish with their ratio just like there are some drops I couldn't do without going wildly out of control on landing because of the lack of rear suspension.

I meant upshift. Sorry for the confusion. I would never suggest a lower gear for popping ones front up. Higher gear. Yes quite a lot, and its a big help in the rock gardens.

I didn't make a single bold sweeping statement at all. Some riders in some places will need gears. I was initially responding to blickblocks saying he didn't understand why MTBers use derailleurs. There is plenty of good reason. Granted a lot of people could get by with a lot less bike, and trust me I sincerly believe 90% of the guys on the trails out there are using far to much bike. 27 gears.. too many for most but the most extreme cases IMO, 18 or 9, is a bit more practical.

Again, I didn't mean use a granny gear to pop up for that. Also that looks like a nice drop (good on ya) but lets say you were coming into that with a steeper track behind you and were coming in faster with a rock garden before the drop. Your arms will be busy doing something else. Also good luck going back up that and no going side to side to get up the steeper parts

riderx

Alright then, we agree the granny isn't good for that stuff.

Just for reference, there's nothing but rock garden behind the boulder that is behind me (follow my shadow), and that's the approach. Rock garden, over the boulder, through those other rocks and off the drop.

You'd be surprised at what you can ride up on the single, but I'm not going to argue with ya. I like bikes, even ones with lots of gears and squish even though I don't ride them. So use what works for you and I'll use what works for me, it's all good.

It's Friday and I'm getting ready to leave and go ride my bike. Keep the rubber side down

NitroPye

Word

Got me a few more lines of code to write then bike time

FWIW I've taken my old hardtail apart and am rebuilding her up as a SS 69er Can't wait.. well I can, because the old drive train is going on a nice plush 6" travel FS bike.

gregtheripper

while i agree that i like definitely prefer trail riding with gears i have certainly seen people on single speeds tackle some of the more technical trails we have here in new england. though for a lot of the steep, short, technical climbs, i've been more than happy to have the small ring.

one of the nicer things about having gears is being able to grind a 5-6inch travel bike up a hill so you can go down it

also, this might not be totally true, but my friend rode a maverick fork for a while and it really requires a lot of attention and regular maintenance. that's my main problem with the trek 69er. if i was going to go for a 29er bike i'd want something like the fox 32 f29 or something like that..

cristobal41

Hi,

I read that this bike (https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes...ersinglespeed/) uses a DT Swiss 240 rear hub (https://www.dirtragmag.com/print/arti...=stuff_reviews) under the Bontrager brand, in which web says that uses a 10 mm axle (https://www.bontrager.com/Mountain/Co.../Hubs/6929.php). Is it a QR one? Thru bolt? I also read that it is a regular 9 speed hub with special for the occasion spacers to turn it into 1x1 (https://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=129126).

Any direct and certain data?

Thanks.

sp00ki

OT:
when you get that bike, sell me the saddle.
a brown racelite is kinda awesome.

blickblocks

How about actually giving a reason rather than being facetious? Internal hubs make a lot of sense for pretty much every geared application, they are a lot more durable and reliable. You're not going to have your derailer hanger bend and unknowingly force your chain into the spokes with an internal hub.

You just don't see them a lot because they're not flashy, which is what sells.

wroomwroomoops

Wait a minute. I think NitroPye argued for geared MTBs vs. SS MTBs, not necessarily geared hubs.

As for MTBs with geared hubs: very few can withstand the kind of riding you do with a MTB. I actually know of only one, and that's the Roholoff Speedhub. ALL other geared hub manufacturers explicitly advise against using them for off road cycling.

Deraileurs are much sturdier.

But of course, they can bend into your spokes and that's when the fun ends. Also, they will pick up tons of crap you'll hace to clean out of the pulleys and cassette. And did I mention chain slap? And also, the chain can fall off, occasionally.

That's why SS is king

NitroPye

That wasn't meant to be facetious rather I was making a playful joke on what seemed like a rather naive thing to say in regards to mountain bikes. It is not a matter of flash rather a matter of durability.

I have bent many a derailleur hanger but $20 + an allen wrench later I am back up and running. No internally geared hub I have seen yet has been strong enough for rigurous riding and the last thing I want to do is have my hub get busted. Now as far as making gears for the off road less breakable, some downhill bikes have had gear boxes for the last 10 years but that hasn't taken off as they are heavy, complicated and pricey.

It's also pretty nice to be able to change your cassette and get different gearing. 11-32, 11-34 etc..

When a cruiser bike internally geared hub can widstand this kind of riding let me know:

wroomwroomoops

I pretty much agree with all you said (except I think SS MTB is the best of all worlds), but that one seems like a lame argument. You can achieve even much much higher flexibility of this kind with a geared hub - and I'll leave it as a homework for you to figure out how and why is it higher than with a cassette.


By the way:Is that you?

NitroPye

Ahh good point. You are right the cassette argument is lame.

I wish I am making the transition from XC rider to AM/DH and it is one of my goals for 2008 to compete at least once by the end of the season in a DH event.