"Cycling & Track Racing, Vegan Style"
03-20-08, 06:02 PM
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you're dense dude
03-20-08, 06:12 PM
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The thing is, this topic shouldn't be for P&R. It just so happens that it's actually relevant here, and there could be fruitful discussion. Unfortunately, as with any thread mentioning the word "vegan," within ten or fifteen posts, a bunch of insecure chest-thumpers show up only to derail the conversation by telling us all how great animals taste and how many of them they eat, how eating meat is the only natural diet, and how vegan goods are somehow more harmful to animals and the earth as leather is.
It's just trolling, and it should all be deleted.
It's just trolling, and it should all be deleted.
03-20-08, 06:16 PM
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what.
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damn. i'm gonna eat meat and drive a mazda now. thank you enlightening bikeforums!
**** yeah!!
**** yeah!!
03-20-08, 06:20 PM
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03-20-08, 06:23 PM
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bikes also suck.
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Guh... there are lots of decent reasons not to be vegan. This is absolutely the worst one. I assume that you mean that evolution meant for us to eat meat, not god- But evolution isn't a person, and didn't really have a game plan in mind when, uh, he? uh, gave? us k-9's.
03-20-08, 06:24 PM
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03-20-08, 06:28 PM
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so in review:
vegan blogs can be fun and informative, mazdaspeed is still a clueless redneck, picture posts are funny, and bikes rule!
(i threw that last part in so the topic doesn't get locked)
vegan blogs can be fun and informative, mazdaspeed is still a clueless redneck, picture posts are funny, and bikes rule!
(i threw that last part in so the topic doesn't get locked)
03-20-08, 06:42 PM
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Don't you hate it when you don't know if a thread is going to be an inane funny thread or a serious debate thread and you either spend time developing a witty and funny comeback or a knowledgeable and stinging retort only to have the thread swing the other way?
yeah, me too.
yeah, me too.
03-20-08, 06:44 PM
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i'm right there with you, broseph. seriously though, hang in there. You never know-- it's only page two.
03-20-08, 07:15 PM
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I will not let capatilism control my consumption or my ethics on eating flesh or wearing it.
Freeganism is a lod of sh it.
I've been a vegan cyclist for the last 4 years, atleast. I've also worked full time for like the last 4 years as a courier. I've never had any problems. People wanting to talk **** on a vegan lifestyle really don't have anything better to do apparently.
Freeganism is a lod of sh it.
I've been a vegan cyclist for the last 4 years, atleast. I've also worked full time for like the last 4 years as a courier. I've never had any problems. People wanting to talk **** on a vegan lifestyle really don't have anything better to do apparently.
03-20-08, 07:20 PM
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has nothing to do with landfills ma dude. factory farming is immoral, eating meat is not.
i say that veganism is not sustainable because it requires so much to be healthy. there is no record of there ever being any vegan indigenous groups, ever. Hell, inuits are almost 100% carnivorous. The definition of sustainable is that you can do the same thing, in the same way, for basically eternity. Vegetable farming still uses insane amounts of water, insane amounts of oil (pesticides, tractors, etc) and then you add the packaging and transportation? that's not sustainable. it's also not taking into account the animals that die during the harvesting, transportation, or the clearcutting required to farm period.
So, really, a hunter-gatherer lifestyle is much more moral than modern omnivore, vegetarian, or vegan diets. If your main reasons for veganism are animal rights, you have to accept that veganism still causes countless deaths.
If you want to take a real high road, keep going to the farmers market, but instead of heading to safeway after for boca burgers, pick up some of that wild hand caught salmon or hunted elk.
But yeah, humans and non-humans have been eating eachother since the dawn of time. It's natural, and it's good. The fundamental predator prey relationship must be followed though. You must exchange respect for flesh. The plains indians of america were not immoral in focusing their life and culture on the buffalo, the whites were in slaughtering them.
i say that veganism is not sustainable because it requires so much to be healthy. there is no record of there ever being any vegan indigenous groups, ever. Hell, inuits are almost 100% carnivorous. The definition of sustainable is that you can do the same thing, in the same way, for basically eternity. Vegetable farming still uses insane amounts of water, insane amounts of oil (pesticides, tractors, etc) and then you add the packaging and transportation? that's not sustainable. it's also not taking into account the animals that die during the harvesting, transportation, or the clearcutting required to farm period.
So, really, a hunter-gatherer lifestyle is much more moral than modern omnivore, vegetarian, or vegan diets. If your main reasons for veganism are animal rights, you have to accept that veganism still causes countless deaths.
If you want to take a real high road, keep going to the farmers market, but instead of heading to safeway after for boca burgers, pick up some of that wild hand caught salmon or hunted elk.
But yeah, humans and non-humans have been eating eachother since the dawn of time. It's natural, and it's good. The fundamental predator prey relationship must be followed though. You must exchange respect for flesh. The plains indians of america were not immoral in focusing their life and culture on the buffalo, the whites were in slaughtering them.
03-20-08, 07:30 PM
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How is it stupid, could a vegan survive in a survival situation?
You need to think about the energy used to acquire energy.
You need to think about the energy used to acquire energy.
03-20-08, 07:32 PM
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vegan or not, civilization destroys biodiversity while indigenous hunter-gatherer cultures often actually benefit the biodiversity of their surrounding ecosystems. i dont care if you believe me, just wait and see what happens.
03-20-08, 07:34 PM
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03-20-08, 07:37 PM
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newsflash:
corn/hay/feed can be grown without pesticides or water.
crazy, but it's true. ask zelah, he'll tell you how it works.
corn/hay/feed can be grown without pesticides or water.
crazy, but it's true. ask zelah, he'll tell you how it works.