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Old 04-07-08, 05:09 PM
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I wish they would bring it back. Not that it would matter my roomate informed me that we lost adult swim from our cable lineup last night.
There is a solution to your problem, it involves bittorrent plus an $80 hacked xbox off craigslist, running an app called Xbox Media Center that streams every type of media file from your computer's harddrive. free your tv!
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You can do the same thing with an old computer and some open source tivo apps.


There's really no reason not to be enjoying your media in a scenario you're in complete control of.
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Old 04-07-08, 08:12 PM
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Bebop Cola.
Well hellooooo consumer....
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Bebop Cola.
Mango Reinhardt, the thinking mans pop.
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I've run bebops on all of my bikes for the past year or two -fixed, road, and commute/touring. I really like them, the biggest issue (as mentioned) is availability.

Currently they are not hard to find on eBay and a few online stores, but I am not sure if they are still being produced. I think they were sued by Speedplay and stopped production. I had heard they were going to restart production, but I'm not sure if that happened (or if it was true in the first place).

Basically, the advantages for me are the free float, light weight, low stack height, and mounting on two bolt SPD mountain shoes. I believe you can find info on most of these things on the bebop website that was linked earlier. To answer the earlier questions about the walkability of the cleats- I have them on some Lake casual shoes and some SIDI Dom 5's. The lake shoes needed no modification, but I had to remove some material from the side of the sidis to allow the pedal spindle to rest correctly due to the lower stack height. Other than that, they are fine to walk on (not much different than SPD).

As for fixed riding, I've had no issues. As long as the cleats are in decent condition, there shouldn't be an issue with unintentional release. If you aren't used to free float, it can be a bit odd going from forward to back pedaling/skidding but not a big deal and goes away after a few rides.

Let me know if you have any other specific questions on them. I like them a lot and keep an extra pedal set and a few cleats in case they are done for good.
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thanks dmc
i called the number provided on the bebop website and had an automated message tell me that they are still in production but under a different company and coming out of japan (i think). and that they are distributed out of Seattle.
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but I am not sure if they are still being produced.
'VP One' now have the rights to Bebop (at least in the UK)



I run them on my fixed and my MTB. They are lightweight, we are not talking a few grams lighter than Shimano lightweight here, we are talking world class beating 195g a pair (!!!!) without recourse to titanium or rider weight limits, these pedals are made from steel and put triple ti eggbeaters to shame in the weight stakes.

Bebops are hard to get used to at first if you are coming from Shimano SPDs, lots of float, but give them a week or two and you will find it hard to go back to Shimano and other SPD compatibles.

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I like them a lot and keep an extra pedal set and a few cleats in case they are done for good.


Same here !
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They are lightweight, we are not talking a few grams lighter than Shimano lightweight here, we are talking world class beating 195g a pair (!!!!) without recourse to titanium or rider weight limits, these pedals are made from steel and put triple ti eggbeaters to shame in the weight stakes.
IIRC that's because the actual mechanism is not in the pedals but in the cleats so some of the weight is transferred there, and you end up with crazy light pedals and crazy heavy cleats, the latter of which is conveniently not included in the published weight.
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Originally Posted by LóFarkas View Post
IIRC that's because the actual mechanism is not in the pedals but in the cleats so some of the weight is transferred there, and you end up with crazy light pedals and crazy heavy cleats, the latter of which is conveniently not included in the published weight.
Well alrighty then - so how much do these "crazy heavy cleats" weigh?

It's a super simple mechanism resulting in lightweight pedals and cleats which, when combined, comes to ~250g.
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Tynan wrote they put eggbeater triple ti to shame in terms of weight. They clearly don't.

According to my info, eggbeater triple ti weigh about 185+30=215 g which is a fair bit less than 250.

250 is still featherlight of course.
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Old 04-08-08, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by LóFarkas View Post
Tynan wrote they put eggbeater triple ti to shame in terms of weight. They clearly don't.

According to my info, eggbeater triple ti weigh about 185+30=215 g which is a fair bit less than 250.

250 is still featherlight of course.
That's funny - a quick interweb search shows triple ti pedals, cleats and hardware comes in closer to ~250g. This is without mentioning the 185lbs weight limit. Poor axle design maybe?

http://weightweenies.starbike.com/li...hp?type=pedals
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If i hadn't already invested a bunch in Crankbrothers pedals i'd be trying out the Bebops for sure.
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Originally Posted by LóFarkas View Post

The large cleats look like they might be a problem for walking.
Do the chickens have large talons?
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Originally Posted by LóFarkas View Post
Tynan wrote they put eggbeater triple ti to shame in terms of weight. They clearly don't.

According to my info, eggbeater triple ti weigh about 185+30=215 g which is a fair bit less than 250.

250 is still featherlight of course.

Bebop weights from their website:

BBP-11 - 210g (pretty accurate my BBP-11s are 208g)
BBP-01 - 195g (spot on - at least for a pair I owned - 195g)
BBP-21 - 150g (this is with a Ti axle - the steels axle BBP-21 version weighs 178 g)

The cleats are around 28g each - so 56g for the cleats.

Standard Shimano cleats come in at somewhere between 74g and 52g/pair (from weight weenies listings).

Unlike the triple ti eggbeaters there is no weight limit for the Bebops with steel axles.

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That's funny - a quick interweb search shows triple ti pedals, cleats and hardware comes in closer to ~250g. This is without mentioning the 185lbs weight limit. Poor axle design maybe?

http://weightweenies.starbike.com/li...hp?type=pedals
WTF???
Did you look at the page you yourself linked? (BTW I checked weightweenies before I posted, too, and saw that the 185 g claimed weight is spot on.) Then I didn't notice that there's a 4ti version that weighs in a 167 but that's beside the point.
Weightweenies doesn't list the cleat weight. It's around 30 grams, pretty certainly the lightest clipless cleats on the market and sure as hell lighter than bebop.

Not that it matters much, but bebops seem to be a bit heavier than top of the range eggbeaters whichever way you look at it. Possibly not for the fatties, but then they should lose 20 pounds before they look to save 20grams off their pedals The lightest bebops may just be about tied with the lightest 'beaters, dunno. Tough to tell with zero info on the bbp-21 anywhere on the net outside of your post.

BTW the bebop site has a pretty convincing little essay about how ti axles are a useless publicity stunt they detest and how steel is superior. Looks like there was too much money in them?


For all I know bebops cd be the best pedals out there although I prefer less float and more walkable cleats.
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Originally Posted by LóFarkas View Post
The lightest bebops may just be about tied with the lightest 'beaters, dunno. Tough to tell with zero info on the bbp-21 anywhere on the net outside of your post.
I have owned more than one set of the whole range over the years, my current bike (see pictures above) are running Bebops.

The BBP-21 (also know as Bebop deluxe) are 178g with the cleats weighing 56g - this is weighed on my gram accurate calibrated anal weight weenie scale (!)

So Bebop deluxe = 234g a pair with cleats - and no weight limit.
The titanium axle version uses the same cleat and a ti axle and comes out at around 206g a pair with cleats - being a ti axle there is obviously a weight limit.
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how do you disengage the pedals if they have so much free float? also, how fast/easy is clipping in/out (ie. would these be any good for mountain bike racing)?
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Originally Posted by LóFarkas View Post
WTF???
Did you look at the page you yourself linked? (BTW I checked weightweenies before I posted, too, and saw that the 185 g claimed weight is spot on.)...Weightweenies doesn't list the cleat weight...


Weight weenies does list cleat weights. Please actually check the website before you post.

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how do you disengage the pedals if they have so much free float? also, how fast/easy is clipping in/out (ie. would these be any good for mountain bike racing)?

Clipping in and out is very smooth/easy, very different from SPDs. Same technique - twist out (or even in) to release. They are sold as MTB and Road pedals - but some people say they collect mud a little more than Shimano SPDs - my experience has been fine, although I don't do a lot of the muddy stuff.

P.S the Bebop cleats are not as easy to walk in as Shimano cleats are - I am running them on a pair of Sidi Dominators - it's not a big problem but definitely more clunky duck walking than Shimano cleats on the same shoes.

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