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fixie changes for spins, wheelies, etc.

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Old 04-13-08, 04:05 PM
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fixie changes for spins, wheelies, etc.

So I'm learning wheelies, tricks, etc with my fixie on 700c rims. The front tire collides with my down tube if I try to spin the handlebars 360 degrees. Therefore, I am going to replace the front 700c with a 650c.

Also, I am running a 48:19. On the flip flop side of my hub, I am going to install a 20t rear freewheel. My understanding is that lower gear ratios are more conducive to mastering wheelies.

Open to any advice about my proposed setup or any additional suggestions. Thanx in advance!!!
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Suggestions - If you like the way your bike RIDES, then don't change it. I sometimes do tricks, but I would never change my bike so that I could do cooler tricks.

Bunny hops and backward circles are cool enough dude. **** barspins.
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For the 650c in the front use a profiled rim (like a deep v) and lace it to a high flange front hub. You want to limit the length of your spokes, as compression is easier on them if they are short. Your front is going to be hitting the ground hard if you're trying to wheelie. 48/19 is already fewer than 70 gear inches, the 20 tooth freewheel might not be necessary. I would suggest learning to wheelie on a bmx first, the most impressive wheelies i've seen on fixies were all from former bmx riders.

That said, be aware that even from far away your front wheel will be noticeably smaller.
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Well noted. My eventual goal is to have a fixie for long rides with drop bars, 700c, front brake, etc. AND a second fixie without brakes setup for tricks. I know a lot of people find skidding and bar spins silly, like it's show off, but I am really enjoying it. Thanks again for the suggestions!
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seriously, why would you change your bike just so you can do ****ing bar spins
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Maybe you should just get a BMX?
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Its not like he can't just put the 700c back on in under a minute anyways. We are all riding track bikes on the street which is a little strange to begin with.

48/20 is super low gearing. That will probably be inconvenient because flipping your rear wheel back and forth is more of a pain in the ass than switching the front. It will probably be easier to wheelie on 71 gear inches than it will be to ride more than 5 miles on 63 gear inches.
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Good luck pulling wheelies sans fixed or back brake. Sounds like falling on my ass to me. Also, have you given any thought to how you're going to be slowing down this brakeless bar-spinnin' free-wheelin' machine of yours?
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Its not like he can't just put the 700c back on in under a minute anyways. We are all riding track bikes on the street which is a little strange to begin with.
speak for yourself, homie
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seriously, why would you change your bike just so you can do ****ing bar spins
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are you agreeing or questioning.
you better not be questioning.
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Originally Posted by ridingsu View Post
So I'm learning wheelies, tricks, etc with my fixie on 700c rims. The front tire collides with my down tube if I try to spin the handlebars 360 degrees. Therefore, I am going to replace the front 700c with a 650c.

Also, I am running a 48:19. On the flip flop side of my hub, I am going to install a 20t rear freewheel. My understanding is that lower gear ratios are more conducive to mastering wheelies.

Open to any advice about my proposed setup or any additional suggestions. Thanx in advance!!!
ratio has noting to do with wheelies imho. it's learned technique after practice....

and i think it will be harder* do wheelies on freewheel versus fixed...
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seriously, why would you change your bike just so you can do ****ing bar spins
He just posted that he wants a second trick fixie for fun stuff like skids and barspins and wheelies.

Why not help the man out? If I had an ounce of skill in these areas, that's what I would do.
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Maybe you should just get a BMX?
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Maybe you should just get a BMX?
maybe you should eat a richard and go 4nick8 yourself!
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are you agreeing or questioning.
you better not be questioning.
oh, i agree. don't fret.
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does anyone actually still get annoyed when people have trick-related questions? or do you just act like it because you feel like you should be annoyed? i thought by now people would either get over or give up on trying to convince people they shouldn't be doing tricks. i'm content with being able to do backwards circles, but i don't feel the need to **** on anyone trying to learn more.

anyway, a difference of 1 tooth probably isn't going to help you out much. and learning to wheelie with a freewheel will definitely not mean you can wheelie on the fixed side. and make sure you have a rideable bike before you decide to make one just for tricks.
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I found when I switched to risers for S's and G's that wheelies etc. became much easier, even with a pretty stiff gear ratio (44/15). It seems that for me, being in a position that allows me to lean back more and ride more upright allows me to more successfully do tricks and the like. I would suggest looking into some risers if you havent already. As for a 650, I like the looks of high flange hubs to deep profile rims, though I would buy a cheaper rim if possible as it will probably get bashed up as you learn stuff.
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Originally Posted by joetotale View Post
Maybe you should just get a BMX?
Acrobatic cycling has always been done one fixed bikes and happend way before skaters started taking kids bikes into the halfpipe.
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you need a hed3 for barspins...
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Thanks to all for the information. I think the 48:19 fixed will work out, and Iíll use a 650c deep v on the front. No worries, Iíll stick to riding a fixie with a front brake in the busy streets. Also, I started out learning on a BMX, thatís probably really good advice, I still love riding it too. I like the idea of just switching my quick release 700c with a 650c, but I would have to remove and then re-install the front side-pull brake too, which is a little more work than Iím willing to do long term. Oh one last thing, this bike weíre speaking of does have riser bars on it. Thanks again, and please post any other ideas that come to mind.
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I dont get why alot of people here try to force their conception of what riding should and shouldnt be, i see nothing wrong with trying to push the envelope or experimenting with different styles of riding. You can always go back if you dont like it. So despite what alot of people have been saying, i think that your asking a good question, and i dont think that wanting to do tricks automatically means get a bmx. For the simple reason that you have to get another bike which btw is alot less versatile.

OK with that being said i can give you some tips on how to setup your bike to facilitate learning/doing some of the common tricks.

A big thing to consider when doing barspins is the amount of clearance you get when your wheel is flipped around 180deg. Most bikes arent gonna bspin a 700 and even if they do the clearance is probably pretty ****y. But almost all bikes will do a 650c, the biggest factor here is the fork rake and the crank arm length. Shorter cranks like 165mm ones work the best, and for fork rake the less the better. Most road forks are 43mm and track forks range from around 40mm to 25mm, njs is 30mm. Alot of older road bikes that are great for conversions have really long fork rake, my bike wouldnt even bspin a 650. So if this is the case youll prolly need to find a fork, i took one of a 80's bianchi and it worked fine, but you can find track forks and road forks all over the place that will work. If your running a conversion on a newer road bike with really tight geometry even all these tips might not give you that much clearance. (head tube angle, and wheelbase length are other factors that affect clearance, as is pedal size and toe clip size)

For your bars and stem get risers, probably with at least 1 inch rise, and cut them short. Shorter bars spin faster, but as long as they clear your tob tube its good enough. For the stem the less reach the better, because when you flip a stem with alot of reach its gonna feel akward.

As for wheelies obviously a lower ratio will help you learn but its not the most important thing. balance and pedal form are more important

as said before 1 tooth probably wont help you that much, but a drastic difference might. All of the artistic cycling bikes use a 1:1 ratio.

If you get a 650c i agree with some of the comments above, a strong wheel with say 32 holes and 3 cross lacing is probably the way to go when you start learning, because its gonna take alot of abuse at first. But once you get the hang of it there are alot of crazy carbon wheels to be found if thats your thing, but remember carbon wheels are more likely to break than a traditional wheel, and if you get a flat on a tubular your f'd.

Besides your setup the most important thing is obviously practice.

- BMX good idea ? yea i think so, ive seen kids get ridic on bmx. It would be a good way to learn technique. Id like to get one once i get some money together, it looks like a lot of fun. BUt like i said before its not nearly as versatile as my fixed.
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I dont get why alot of people here try to force their conception of what riding should and shouldnt be, i see nothing wrong with trying to push the envelope or experimenting with different styles of riding. You can always go back if you dont like it. So despite what alot of people have been saying, i think that your asking a good question, and i dont think that wanting to do tricks automatically means get a bmx. For the simple reason that you have to get another bike which btw is alot less versatile.

OK with that being said i can give you some tips on how to setup your bike to facilitate learning/doing some of the common tricks.

A big thing to consider when doing barspins is the amount of clearance you get when your wheel is flipped around 180deg. Most bikes arent gonna bspin a 700 and even if they do the clearance is probably pretty ****y. But almost all bikes will do a 650c, the biggest factor here is the fork rake and the crank arm length. Shorter cranks like 165mm ones work the best, and for fork rake the less the better. Most road forks are 43mm and track forks range from around 40mm to 25mm, njs is 30mm. Alot of older road bikes that are great for conversions have really long fork rake, my bike wouldnt even bspin a 650. So if this is the case youll prolly need to find a fork, i took one of a 80's bianchi and it worked fine, but you can find track forks and road forks all over the place that will work. If your running a conversion on a newer road bike with really tight geometry even all these tips might not give you that much clearance. (head tube angle, and wheelbase length are other factors that affect clearance, as is pedal size and toe clip size)

For your bars and stem get risers, probably with at least 1 inch rise, and cut them short. Shorter bars spin faster, but as long as they clear your tob tube its good enough. For the stem the less reach the better, because when you flip a stem with alot of reach its gonna feel akward.

As for wheelies obviously a lower ratio will help you learn but its not the most important thing. balance and pedal form are more important

as said before 1 tooth probably wont help you that much, but a drastic difference might. All of the artistic cycling bikes use a 1:1 ratio.

If you get a 650c i agree with some of the comments above, a strong wheel with say 32 holes and 3 cross lacing is probably the way to go when you start learning, because its gonna take alot of abuse at first. But once you get the hang of it there are alot of crazy carbon wheels to be found if thats your thing, but remember carbon wheels are more likely to break than a traditional wheel, and if you get a flat on a tubular your f'd.

Besides your setup the most important thing is obviously practice.

- BMX good idea ? yea i think so, ive seen kids get ridic on bmx. It would be a good way to learn technique. Id like to get one once i get some money together, it looks like a lot of fun. BUt like i said before its not nearly as versatile as my fixed.
SUPER HELPFUL Ksvirus, thankx!
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Also, this is the bike in case the pic helps with any details...

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you can always go with a smaller cog on the other side of your rear hub so you can have a normal riding gear, and use the 19 for tricks, that should be a low enough gear.

also, getting a "real" track bike, something with track bike geometry might also be beneficial, but that is just my opinion.
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