ha.
apples and oranges.

I do race in crits. Doesn't change the fact that yall don't have anywhere near the talent to pull off something actually impressive like bike ballet. Given how little the videos getting posted have improved in the past couple years I doubt many if any will ever get there.

Are you kidding me?

Nose manuals, 180 tire grabs, 180 skids to tail taps, no handed, no foot manuals, rock walks [brakeless], riding fakie for blocks and the "roll out spins"... all these tricks are a big improvement. Especially considering that bike ballet is done on 1:1s...

My boy Jim C. who rides BMX for Odyssey said "the day someone pulls a nose manual on a track bike, I'll buy one..."

dutret, remember back when miami hoppers and bar surfing were big in freestylin' magazine? then ACS put out the rotor and all of the spinning tricks became more accessible? progression, cross-pollination and assimilation don't happen overnight.

i still think it's great that you can ride to work, go for some quick laps in a park at a decent clip, maybe--maybe not flip your wheel around to your other cog to do some tricks or play polo, and then ride home--on one bike--and never really be at any significant enough disadvantage so as to feel absolutely frustrated with whatever you're engaged in.

i thought you approved of economy.

That pretty much sums it up for me. A bike with a slammed seat will always be easier to huck around, but being able to trick on the same bike that you can take through traffic, work on, and actually get places on at a decent speed is worth way more. Yeah, the seat is always going to get in the way, but that's part of it.

damnnn, way too much argueing, just ride your respective bikes and be happy you choose not to pay $4.18 a gallon of gas. i am. but anyway, **** people who say tricks on a track bike are lame cause ive had a damn good time doing what ive done recently and i wanna do more. i just wanna know if i should use my bike shop employee discount to build up a paul hub to like a 650 deep v or some dt or mavic rim to do barspins or if i should just save my money and buy the bmw or some other fork that may allow me to do a barspin with a 700c wheel. i just won a 36 hole 700c deep v on ebay and i have a iro front hub at home, if i could just build that up and buy a new fork and do barspins, itd be better than buying a paul hub at discount just to waste its greatness on barspins and ****. oh, and i ride tony fasts supposed old bike so prolly, if you eve see the guy, tell him its workin real good.

Yeah, why not just EP from BMW? I do EP's from everyone, even if we don't order through Quality / J&B. Chrome & Ritchey come to mind.

Even if you can't EP from BMW, I still say you should support them. I was on the train one morning and ran into a guy who rides for their BMX squad, awesome guy, we talked the whole the ride and was really cool. I know that's not a reason to order from a company, but when I ordered from Ritchey, it took THREE WEEKS just for them to process my order, then they sent me TWO packages because the first was wrong, and I had to send one back, yet, I was charged for both and would "see the credit" once the wrong one was received.

This thread was awesome and I'm sorry I missed it the first time around.

I can do fakie backflips.

So, why are dutret and his lackey darth hating on tarck biking? I don't understand the logic of arguing the merits of doing tricks on a fixed gear/track type bike against BMXing; like DV said, "apples and oranges." I feel like some of you are devaluing the freestyle kind of tarck biking compared to racing without doing any of it; I'm sure prolly rides at the drome too dutret, have you tried any of that trick biking? Calling him talentless just lends to showing that your argument lacks validity. I say: if it gets people on a bike, it's good.

People doing something different doesn't really justify hating on them- I mean honestly, do people doing tricks on a larger frame hurt you or take away from your cycling experience? If a concept with 650c hed 3 in front and risers makes you mad, you need a therapist. You can't change the dynamics of a subculture, embrace the tarckness.

im still confused and i talked it up with the head mechanic where i work (hes been wrenching ten times longer than i have been and hes really good at trials riding and ****) and he said getting a bmw fork would probably do the trick and i woulnt NEED a 650c wheel to do barspins and ****, and i can EP order me a fork if i want but i want someone who has done what i intend to do to tell me it will work. i dont want to dish out big bux only to find out i still need to get a 650 wheel to accomplish what i want. im a bike mechanic i make roundabouts 8.50 an hour, im not made of money. and i need to put some money into my other bikes that i actually race on . whats the best thing 700c wheel and new fork or just 650 wheel and same ol' ****?

get the fork 650 wheels totally screw up the bike handling I know from experience and it is annoying to get used to totally different steering and geometry characteristics. There are many people with the BMW fork that can attest to the fact that it will alow you to barspin. There are other tricks however then barspins that you could work on while waiting.

i was so ready to get the fork till i realized that it probably has a 1 1'8 steerer tube instead of the 1 inch used on my bike. so im ****ed, i guess. are there any other options? i do figure, however, that if i cant work it out on this frame i planned on a new one net spring so maybe ill get like a steamroller or some cheap type steel frame with a 1 1/8 headtube so that i can use a sick nasty bmw fork and finally do barspins. if thats the case, for now ill just keep on keepin on with backwards circles and trackstands and ****ty attempts at doing bunny hops. i never realized how hard it could be until i tried to do it on my fixie without a freewheel and crank bros. pedals.

Go for the steamroller frame with the BMW fork thats what Im doing at the moment I dont have money for the fork yet but im saving up. Another option on frameset that may be marginally heavier is the Pake frameset that will save you 200 bones too. The fork is definately 1 1/8. Practice small stuff with what you have now and try to be carefull if you dont have some really strong wheels.

Good old bike forums full of hate.

In answer to the op's question. In London several of the guys that are doing tricks run jump bikes forks or similar on their trick bikes. These are clearly heavier but they are slightly longer and hence make barspins easier much in the same way johnprolly uses a BMW fork. They also have the added advantage of being stronger.

To all the haters. People are having fun so who cares maybe tricks will take off maybe they will die / stay very specialized who cares it hurt anyone. You may not find the tricks impressive but you don't have to watch the videos. You must remember that this is a media age and good cameras can be bought for little money hence of course every little thing will be documented good or bad. In every area of cycling there is a mass of people with "all the gear no idea" this area is no different.

Lastly don't judge someone so strongly by the bike they are riding, just because someone rides a trick set up track bike one day does not mean thats all they do. They very well may also have a MTB a rode bike and BMX and ride them all for different uses and enjoy them all. Doing different types of riding helps improve your overall skill level and make you a better rider. Verity is the spice of life as they say. There are many thing alot more stupid than doing tricks on a track bike within the wold of cycling and the world in general. Use your energy to hate on those issues.

i think i may have said this before but i love this ****ing bike

http://www.jensonusa.com/store/produ...tain+Fork.aspx

This fork is a tiny bit longer then the BMW fork and cheaper. give that a try?

700c and 51cm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp_-V7dDmYc

wow you are the 4zn balla from pbnation tight I used to play too

I dunno homey, not that we're doing flying 720s or anything down here in NOLA but sometimes we go down to a park here where there's a lot of foot traffic / tourists just to noodle around cause it's smooth (and there's pretty girlzzz) and all the slackjaw cheeseballs are like "man, how do you do that on that bike? I've only seen stuff like that on BMXs." So for the onlooker who doesn't know anything about bikes they seem super into it because they haven't seen BMX style tricks on track bikes. In the long run who really gives a **** though?

TheBrick knows where its at, im pretty sure. but im pretty sure there arent any forks thatd fit my 1 inch headtube. im ****ed, right? so unless they make liek 1 inch bmw or similar forks ill just stick with my bike till next year and then ill get a new frame. that is, unless i win this 04 steamroller frame on ebay. if so, ill be attempting barspins with my theoretical BMW fork in no time.

a actually found a few 1 inch sized forks man look for something with at least a 400mm axle to crown measurement and around 35-40 rake. They would be mountain or cross forks.

This thread made me realize Prolly is an a-ok guy.

Jenkinsal2, what you say may be true and i truly believe something somewhat obscure ( in the fork world) would be suitable for my bike and my needs, but WHERE THE HELL CAN I FIND ****S LIKE THESE? people keep saying things exist but wont be specific. im looking to spend some money in the next few weeks on something tangible, not some tidbit of information. i appreciate all the info, but can soemone, anyone, just suggest a fork that i try and buy.

its because you dont need to be specific there are literaly 1000s of forks that will work for you. It all depends on your geometry. If you really want something to not alter your steering too much you will need to do some measureing to find out how badly the extra fork length will change your angles. It seems like you dont feel like doing any work or even care what happens as long as you can barspin. So.... here this should work for you. http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...0&category=633

Sometimes I just hate the internet. I don't ever want to be thought of as an *******. Maybe one day we can all give each other a big group hug :love:

Do you have any idea of the measurements of the BMW fork as far as rake and axle to crown measure? I think its around 405axle to crown but no clue on rake.

Sam Miller runs a MTB fork but I don't know if it fits a 700c.
And John was always a cool guy.

I've got a gangsta fork, it's the best and I love it.

Though that said, with the cost and wait time.. if I had to do it all again I'd probably just track down a mtb fork and be done with it. They are cheaper, available everywhere and made for being slammed.

But I have the BMW so I am still super stoked, it's one of the most coveted items in track bike tricks these days!

OP, just get a mtb fork. didn't you say you work at a bike shop?? How can finding a super basic bike component be baffling??

On the topic of barspins, I hit barspin up to pogo>barspin out today.

nah, its easy to find forks and all sorts of older **** in the bike shop. we have a bin in the attic of older mtb forks with 1 inch threaded steerer tubes. the thing is i just wanted someone who had one to tell me what they used so i had an idea (brand and model wise) of what a certain fork was like. but me and my fickle mind decided to scrap the idea of barspins for now. theres loads of things i can try and learn that dont need the barspinability of a bike. tonight when i was out trying tricks and **** i realized just how many things i cant do that dont need barspinnnyness- hell, i can only do a backwards circle sometimes and a wheelie for no more than fifty feet and my bunnyhops leave a lot (height) to be desired, im only somewhat good at skids and trackstands. so next year, when i come home from college for the summer ill just step it up and get either a whole gangsta track bike or just a steamroller or similar bike that would be compatible with a gangsta fork.