I need your help again!
 

Well many month's ago i posted here about my conversion motobecane that i have and the bottom bracket. The bike is a success but I want a track frame now lol.

Im no pro so im not looking to spend a ridiculous amount of money on a frame, I don't really care about brands. As we all do I'm looking for a deal! Now I read some post before about a track frame from performance bikes and talking about it not having Track Geometry and what not so... I've been searching the world of the internet for what i thought were frames for a decent price. Now I come to you the community to help me out on which one you think is better, and if you have any other suggestions please your input is great.

I found three sites with three frames budget 200.
Pake Track Frame -no fork 184.72
http://www.treefortbikes.com/339_333...ack-Frame.html

Scattante SSR Fame 149.00
http://www.performancebike.com/shop/....cfm?SKU=24744

Bike Island Track Frame 120.00
*I have no idea whether anyone has ever ordered from here so if you have some info on these guy let me know, also what do you think about the frame?
http://bikeisland.com/cgi-bin/BKTK_S...ls&ProdID=1101


Thanks much.
-dave

The bike island frame is a Kilo TT. They are all comparable, and there are probably 50 threads discussing these three frames. The Kilo is the cheapest of the three.

Just stick with the Motobecane until you have enough money for something nice. All those frames you linked to are ****ty, heavy steel frames. I love high-quality steel but let's be honest, you just want a ****ing track frame because it has track ends rather than horizontal dropouts.

Or tight geometry, double butted tubing, threading for a modern bottom bracket / headset, and a frame and fork that weighs less than 8 lbs. There's really nothing ****ty or heavy about the kilo (and probably the others, although I don't have any experience with them). Not knowing what quality the Motobecane is, it could make a big difference or a minor one.

I didn't know the bike island frame was the Kilo TT thanks for info.

Hockey, Thanks for your brutal Honesty.

I'm not too fond of the Bianchi Pista Frames, since i feel they are overrated especially here in NYC reason (but no one is talking about bianchi im just saying) to why I love building one of those bike that people think are expensive but in reality it was nice and cheap to make. I wouldn't mind of those EAI Bare Knuckle frames but the price is too much and im the serious cyclist looking to invest alot of money into a bike. Plus having a nice bike in NYC is hard to keep.

All of those brands, Mercier, Motobecane, Dawes, etc... are not related to the 70s/80s brands. Yes, they are junk bikes. No, they do not have tight track geometry. It's a road frame with horizontal dropouts.

I see.

fixed

Huh? The guy has a 70s Motobecane conversion. While the kilo, pake et al. may not be 74/74 steep the angles are pretty close, especially compared to a french bike boom bike. I also fail to see how a double butted 4130 tig-welded frame is 'junk', especially compared to a hi-ten lugged frame that's 20+ years old. Or is every bike make in Taiwan now officially 'junk' and I missed the memo?

I love all this terminology being thrown around to me it's Chinese i need to read up on this more.

I'm Am lucky enough to live in san diego and have the sickest classic track bike shop in the nation to my disposal (check out Velo Culture). That being said I use a kilo tt as my everyday commuter (meaning I don't care about it) it is a great work horse. The Pake is a better (made better) choice, but it still ain't no track bike. When you ride a true track bike you can feel the difference.

Actually, that $120 frame he linked to is an SE Lager frame on BikeIsland. The Kilo TT frameset is $199 and comes with a fork. In terms of the OP's question about BikeIsland's reliability and such, I ordered a part from them and they were pretty speedy and efficient.

would you say that there is a difference in weight with kilo TT frame and the SE frame?