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auroch 01-20-04 12:51 PM

Brake!
 
I've got a Bianchi Pista and it isn't drilled for a rear brake. I want the option of a single speed freewheel. Now my LBS (who are super cool and knowledgable) say that the bridge isn't made for that and I just wanted a 2nd opinion on options. Oh...don't flame me I'm doing one of those cross a state tours and I'm a little concerned about wussing out for some of the hilly sections

jeff.

SS_MB-7 01-20-04 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by stickerguy
I've got a Bianchi Pista and it isn't drilled for a rear brake. I want the option of a single speed freewheel. Now my LBS (who are super cool and knowledgable) say that the bridge isn't made for that and I just wanted a 2nd opinion on options. Oh...don't flame me I'm doing one of those cross a state tours and I'm a little concerned about wussing out for some of the hilly sections

jeff.

Your LBS is correct. I, too, have a Pista ('03) and had my LBS drill the rear for a rear brake. I've got about 6 months on the bike since mounting the rear brake and haven't had any issues with it.

Ride Hard,
Mike B.
http://www.one-speed.com

Jonny B 01-20-04 01:12 PM

I can't see any reason why you couldn't get the bridge driller for a brake. If SS_MB-7's experience is anything to go by, you shouldn't have any problems, but it may void any warrenty on the frame. It makes me wonder why they don't come drilled for brakes (I know it's a track bike, but still, they could call it weight saving :) )

superchivo 01-20-04 01:29 PM

Seems to me if it's tough enough to hold the rear triangles in place, it can probably handle a brake. Tought part will be making sure the hole is on-axis.

auroch 01-20-04 01:53 PM

2nd thought: Why did bianchi use a flip flop hub and not drill in the rear bridge? Seems like they'd at least use a flip-flop with track threading on both sides.

Mike: its good to hear from someone one with experience. Do you use the rear brake on a regular basis?

roadfix 01-20-04 02:05 PM

Well.....my old Pista frame which I picked up used came with a drilled bridge.... but I'm not certain if it was factory drilled. It was a very clean job. Anyway, I ended up filling the hole before painting the frame.

George!

demoncyclist 01-20-04 02:21 PM

Since your front brake does all the work anyway, why do you want to add something you don't need.

auroch 01-20-04 05:44 PM

I'm imagining cruising down some massively long grade after a day of climbing enormous hills (I'm being dramatic...see location). It would be nice to be able to freewheel and also be able to control my speed without only depending on my front brake. Especially in triple digits. I've had a tube blow up once during such a feat. You're probably right though...kinda silly.

lucklust 01-20-04 07:23 PM

I've got about 5000 miles on my Peugeot (freewheel), and the last 2500 have been sans rear brake. I took it off after it broke in a nasty wreck, and never bothered to put it back on. I do Mt. Tamalpais 3-4 times a week. Mt. Tam has several 40+ (50 if you push it) mph descents, and have never had a problem with just my front brake. I am picking up my Bianchi Pista tomorrow, and had the LBS put a front brake and dummy lever on, in addition to the freewheel. This is not to suggest, however, that you should ride anything you're not COMPLETELY comfortable on. Just my opinion.

pitboss 01-20-04 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by stickerguy
I'm imagining cruising down some massively long grade after a day of climbing enormous hills (I'm being dramatic...see location). It would be nice to be able to freewheel and also be able to control my speed without only depending on my front brake. Especially in triple digits. I've had a tube blow up once during such a feat. You're probably right though...kinda silly.

SG-
I rode fr brake SS for a few years...nice compromise actually, but go with your gut instinct. Give Sheldon a line on this and see what he has to say. He is, afterall, well versed in mods.

Rev.Chuck 01-20-04 08:48 PM

coaster brake,... no drilling

fixedgearhead 01-20-04 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by lucklust
I've got about 5000 miles on my Peugeot (freewheel), and the last 2500 have been sans rear brake. I took it off after it broke in a nasty wreck, and never bothered to put it back on. I do Mt. Tamalpais 3-4 times a week. Mt. Tam has several 40+ (50 if you push it) mph descents, and have never had a problem with just my front brake. I am picking up my Bianchi Pista tomorrow, and had the LBS put a front brake and dummy lever on, in addition to the freewheel. This is not to suggest, however, that you should ride anything you're not COMPLETELY comfortable on. Just my opinion.

I think the accepted theory is if you run a freewheel use front and rear brakes. The point being you have a second option for braking if your front brake fails.
If you run fixed gear, front brake is all you need. Many people do this and seem to get along fine using the fixed gear's braking ability of the rear wheel in lue of a rear brake.
Still others say "What the hell I don't need to show you no stinkin Brakes".
Life is full of choices.
Choose wisely.

fixedgearhead

lucklust 01-20-04 09:26 PM

Oh yeah? You think you're so smart huh? Mister "I'm fixedgearhead, Senior Member"... You know what? Just to prove you wrong, I'm going to keep running without the rear brake on my freewheeler, AND take the front one off too! How about that!




....wait a minute...

jim-bob 01-20-04 10:50 PM


Originally Posted by lucklust
Oh yeah? You think you're so smart huh? Mister "I'm fixedgearhead, Senior Member"... You know what? Just to prove you wrong, I'm going to keep running without the rear brake on my freewheeler, AND take the front one off too! How about that!




....wait a minute...

i saw a few bmx kids riding around with freewheels and no brakes. i don't get it.

Rev.Chuck 01-20-04 10:57 PM

Were they doing flatland freestyle? I have seen guys doing flatland and they don't use a brake, it just gets in the way when they are spinning the bike around. They stop by jamming a foot on the front wheel.

legalize_it 01-20-04 11:11 PM

a lot of the bmx/freestyle kids here in philly dont run brakes. and theyre not riding flatland....grinding all over city hall and love park and what-not

Rev.Chuck 01-20-04 11:37 PM

Maybe they don't run brakes to improve their chance of getting away from the cops.

rancid_chicken 01-20-04 11:50 PM

Where I live, kids would rather have thier parents pay another $90 for a pair of shoes than have to pay some of thier own money for some pads. I wish I understood the logic behind that, but I guess I'm just getting old.

shecky 01-21-04 01:57 AM

Trying out for a Darwin award, more likely.

auroch 01-21-04 02:36 AM

you don't go so fast on bmx bikes. I have a fixed cruiser with a super easy gear ratio with no brakes. In a pinch I fred flintstone or jam my shoe on the rim. The smell of the burning rubber rules.

lucklust: How do you stop on a 40mph descent on a bike with a freewheel and only a front brake? Modulate? Weight shifting? How many pairs of shoes do you go through? :p

jeff

lucklust 01-21-04 02:42 AM

Stickerguy, I usually just slam into the nearest peloton. A single road geek hardly slows you down, with all that lightweight carbon fiber and slippery spandex.

fixedgearhead 01-21-04 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by lucklust
Oh yeah? You think you're so smart huh? Mister "I'm fixedgearhead, Senior Member"... You know what? Just to prove you wrong, I'm going to keep running without the rear brake on my freewheeler, AND take the front one off too! How about that!




....wait a minute...

Go ahead. It's your life. Live it the way you want. I won't tell you how to do it. I will post some of the accepted opinions, which are not only mine, but that other more knowledgeable people agree with" :ie: Sheldon Brown. What you do with the information is your decision. I only have one request. "You can do anything you want, just please don't scare the horses". That is a famous quote from before you were probably born. I know it is from before I was born, but it is still apt.
Good luck,

fixedgearhead

SS_MB-7 01-22-04 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by stickerguy
2nd thought: Why did bianchi use a flip flop hub and not drill in the rear bridge? Seems like they'd at least use a flip-flop with track threading on both sides.

Mike: its good to hear from someone one with experience. Do you use the rear brake on a regular basis?

Ya, I too find it odd that Bianchi would spec a flip-flop rear hub with no provisions for a rear brake. My '02 Fuji Track came with a drilled rear arch for a brake....and, 2 (maybe 1, can't remember) water bottle mounts. I had to have my LBS also drill my frame for 2 water bottle mounts. Ah well.

I guess I use it on a regular basis. No more or less than I normally would.

Ride Hard,
Mike B.
http://www.one-speed.com

superchivo 01-22-04 02:59 PM

I'm not really sure why you're less likely to skid (this seems to be people's hangup with back brakes on fixies) with a free wheel that with a fixie. The real question is why do any bikes need back brakes?

familyman 01-22-04 03:00 PM

Redundancy.


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