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Hi
thanks for the heads up

JURY is a very expensive frame; detail is rather good and dropouts and such are top notch
This frame has sold great on bikeisland and customers seem to love it. I think it is a great deal in a wide tire friendly frame.

KILO WT will have very good frame work too; but the frame is not exactly same as Jury.
Frame is more like a KILO TT with wider tire spacing and longer WB and bit more relaxed

KILO WT sample is just now on the way; so complete bike will not be in until August or September.
Complete bike will have components like KILO TT PRO level and bike will be $449 to $499 depending on final spec and currency fluxuations {my concern is that the US Treasury is going to print so much money that the USD falls in value - effecting all bikes - but that is a different issue}

Anyway, I have seen some very nice builds with the Jury frame.

By the way: love to hear color ideas on KILO WT
I am doing WHITE for sure; but need others too

mr_macgee

I'm riding with 48 x 16, same when I was riding with 28c. I use to ride a lot of cyclo-cross and familar with type of bike (my cyclo-cross frames don't have this much clearance). I was just looking for a bike that can take 28c or 32c with fenders so I can ride fixed all year around. The larger tires (35c) wipes me out faster, feels like I'm pulling around a big load when I don't have one or my hub bearings are worn out. The ratio is fine, it's just trying to keep avg. pace (small incline, avoiding obstacles, holding rpm) is where I feel it most. It's not the Jury per se but more what this type of set up is. I'll be going back to 28c or 32c that are light and good rolling resistance but they will look silly on this frame (like putting 23c on a mountain bike).

Again, if you want ballon tires on your fixie, then the Jury is a good frame for it. It's well built but the paint does chip easily.

boog

Thanks for that!

I'm looking more for the ability to fit 32c tires and fenders. This doesn't sound like the bike for me, but they are sharp looking frames. I really like the chrome finish, but I think I will keep looking

boog

mr_macgee

Here's the rub.

I haven't found a fixed frame that can take 32c, as far as I know right now the Jury is the only one (other than the surly that was copied by Jury).

If you find one, let me know.

Cheers

bbattle

Molteni Orange




When is BD going to make this urban assault model?

boog

Yeah, it is tough to find something like this. The Surly lacks the eyelets to mount full fenders, or I would already have one. I may just grab a Jury and be thankful for too much clearance as opposed to not nearly enough.


boog

mr_macgee

That would be the Kilo TT but with tig welds. It's actually a great well built frame for urban assault. For the price, it's a legend.

jdmitch

I've seen some other people mention it, and I have to agree a clear-coat / raw-colored could be pretty slick in these unbranded frames.

PS - Any shots of the Kilo OS that I saw mentioned someplace? (double top tube?), that's the one I think would be really slick in a clear-coat / raw...

bikesdirect_com

KILO OS drawing still in the worksMaybe I will post the drawing once I get it
Will take about 3 months tro get sample frame
and find the OldSchool parts I want to use.

I can ask about raw with clear coat, but this might look great or awful - so I guess I'll get a sample and see.

thanks

Mike

jdmitch

Yeah, it definitely has the potential to go both ways... and even if it looks good, not everyone will like it... but with the right extra bits (I'm thinking Woody's Fenders and a leather saddle and grips...), it's got a lot of potential...

Santaria

Cream. I seriously want a good cream colored frame option WITH good clearance and eyelets for racks, etc.

Otherwise, I'm going to have to buy a Creamroller and be half-assed happy.

grantman18

I know the thread's been inactive for a while but...

I'm kind of torn about what frame to get, the Jury or Kilo. I'll be using the bike for commuting around boston for work, and to run errands. Fenders are a must, but I also only run 23 or 25 tires for commuting. I think the Jury looks a little off when skinny tires are used, but I'm worried that if I get the kilo I won't be able to fit fenders on. I also like that the jury comes w/ a headset and a 1 1/8 steerer, but beggars can't be choosers.

Any thoughts? Think i should take a chance w/ fenders fitting on the kilo? I've read some posts about it being a tight fit.

redmedicine

you can put fenders and bigger tires on the jury! kilo is a tight fit for both!

newtron

Hey mike, I was just wondering when/if you guys are going to get more Kilo TT frames in (size 57 specifically)? My orange jury arrives tomorrow and I was thinking about also getting a TT to build up, and sell the baby I'm least infatuated with. Are you done with the TT and moving on to the WT?

eric716

https://www.benscycle.net/index.php?m...oducts_id=1765

omsbythedozen

okay, so i want to get a replacement fork for this and im thinking a surly cross check fork would be the best. it looks like its exactly the same fork but with braze ons for cantilevers. anyone have a different opinion?

HandsomeRyan

Chocolate Brown. Great for commuters since it's not flashy.

c_dinsmore

Well let me just BUMP this up here.

I am interested to see how the early jury owners from this thread would judge their frames by now. What kind of reputation is this frame making for itself by now?

I am probably going to get this frame as my new work bike. However, my two main concerns were not really answered very adequately by either past threads or correspondence with bikeisland. These are:

1) to what extent do the overkill tire clearances slacken out the geometry? the angles are still fairly sporty, but i have to imagine the long fork adds some trail.

2) the wide chainstays mess with crankset/ring combinations. how much mechanical gymnastics is required to get a standard 42mm chainline? the rear spacing is 120mm after all, and i don't get too giddy thinking about respacing and off-centre dishing a rear track wheel (simply because it shouldn't be necessary).

this frame truly is one of the only offerings in its class: an affordable (for a messenger read "not so valuable that you will be heartbroken when work kills it") track frame that allows sizeable tires (28s and 35 cross knobbies for snow) and fenders while maintaining a decently quick geo/ride. in fact, the primary other options are the surly steamroller and mercier kilo wt, which are both from the same framehouse and quite similar.

honestly, i find steamroller is a slightly superiorly designed frame, with track crankset clearance and more reasonable but still ample tire allowances. however, i really don't want one of those. partly because of the $200 price hike for only some finicky/not-fundamental design choices. but mostly just because i already have two surlies (karate monkey and pacer) and i like to test out new things and expand my reperetoire of equipment experience. if i got another surly, i'd have to be a traveler's check or a big dummy, their awesomely unrivaled unique frames.

so.... starting again after a year or two break... let the opinions flow forth.

FunkyStickman

I've been looking for a SS frame to build into an IGH commuter/touring bike, and this frame fits every criteria I had except 2 water bottle locations. They don't have many left in my size, but I'm still considering it. I'd like to hear from current owners as well.

XianRL

Ugh, I'm a few parts away from being done with my Jury build. It's an 09 frame I bought on eBay in fall of 2010.

My Salsa Delgados got built last week, and I'll throw some 32s on them. Probably won't do fenders yet, but maybe once I move to San Fran...in which case I might look to trade for a more "tarck'd" bike anyway. Waiting for Eighthinch to get some 165mm cranksets before I finish the drivetrain. Gonna run 46/17.

Hope to be done with the build in the next 60 days (gimme some time, I'm a college kid working two jobs to fund this build and buy groceries).

Rest assured I'll be back to review this bad boy.

XianRL

My 09 Motobecane Jury. Finally done.



Frame: 2009 Motobecane Jury
Fork/headset: Jury fork/FSA DL orbit
Crankset/bottom bracket: All-City 144 BCD/Shimano
Pedals: Odyssey Twisted
Drivetrain: 46/17
Handlebars: Answer ProTapers
Saddle/seatpost: Prologo Vertigo/Ritchey WCS Alloy 2-bolt (wet black)
Wheelset: Salsa Delgados laced to Surly hubs
Tires: Ryder Freedom 700x38c
Other: Tektro R556 long-reach front brake; baby pink Oury grips; Kool chain; Bikeage Catalina V1.5

I'm loving this bike so far. I can see how some people find it peculiar to rock fat tires if you're not off road or doing FGFS or something. But really, I find them quite practical. I don't have a scale to weigh the bike and I didn't care much about what it would weigh while I was building it. But it's surprisingly light despite the wheels and tires. It's a comfortable ride on which I don't have to worry about hitting bumps or holes. One concern: The paint chips easily where there's tension, e.g. seatpost bolt. I'm hoping the paint does not easily chip.

Other than that, I'm thrilled to ride this rugged frame. I don't do FGFS, but I'm planning on getting an All-City Dropout fork one day.

Retem

My jury has a carbon cx fork on it v brakes and 38c tires I am running 47x16 gearing and it has performed fine it feels no more slack than your average road bike and has plenty of giddy up when you need it

oh did I mention i rolls over damn near everything

XianRL

I didn't even think about cross forks. That's a good idea.

Roadie Rage

Anybody get any other types of brakes to work on these other than the Tektro R556s? Also does anybody know the difference between these https://www.modernbike.com/itemgroup.asp?igpk=2126175524 and the R556s? Other than the price difference.

Also has anybody got a back brake to work on this thing yet?

Retem

mafac racers and dia compe center pull long reach brakes work fine as well