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Aggressive, light, inexpensive steel frame?

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Old 08-05-08, 01:40 PM
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Aggressive, light, inexpensive steel frame?

Looking for something like the Bianchi Pista, but definitely not wanting the Pista.

Hopefully a frame only. I've got a Dawes SST with $1500 worth of parts on it and want something much more aggressive. I've ridden the Pista and the Swobo Sanchez and am jealous. I want the snappy handling... not to mention my "58cm" Dawes is more like a 55-56. It's very small and is basically a converted road bike geometry.

Thanks for your help!

If you can suggest solid/light older frames, I am open to just about anything, just must have the 68mm English BB.
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Old 08-05-08, 01:52 PM
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you're not going to get an absolute answer as lots of users ride fantastic steel, but i've been riding the bob jackson vigorelli for over a year now, and i love it.
345 pounds (the money, not the weight), your choice of paint color (they have shimmer paint too), lug lining, and branding decals (under the clearcoat).
the bottom bracket is on the high side which definitely buys me peace of mind when taking corners fast/steep, and the steering is quite responsive. maybe 1 or 2 mm overlap (haven't seen it in the real world, though) in my size, which is 20.5" (I use an aftermarket mizuno fork, which is identical in rake to the stock one).
the frame is light (631 reynolds tubing). i'm not a heavy rider, so i won't use words like lively or plush, but i've heard that it can be stiff for steel.
the lugs are gorgeous "off the peg", but you can go with pretty interesting stuff if you want a custom:
http://www.bobjacksoncycles.co.uk/default.php?cPath=90

their customs are only priced slightly above the off peg frames.

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Old 08-05-08, 01:52 PM
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Whoa, Bob Jacksons are a little pricey for me.

I'm thinking Soma Rush Dollars... $400 at the most.

I've considered a few aluminum bikes but hear from far too many people that aluminum on the street is no fun. The Dolan Track Bike is beautiful and light, but the aluminum scares me.

Soma Rush might be more along the lines I'm thinking. Some steel bikes are just super light compared to other... is it the Reynolds tubing/ Columbus tubing? The 4130 CrMo is very heavy.
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the difference between a pista and a surly with 4130 is a pound at best.
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when discussing just a frame, a pound is kinda huge, wouldn't you say?
the difference between a four pound frame and a five pound frame is 20%
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not really... the complete bike comparison is 20lbs vs 21lbs or 5 percent.
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Originally Posted by ilive41 View Post
Looking for something like the Bianchi Pista, but definitely not wanting the Pista.

Hopefully a frame only. I've got a Dawes SST with $1500 worth of parts on it and want something much more aggressive. I've ridden the Pista and the Swobo Sanchez and am jealous. I want the snappy handling... not to mention my "58cm" Dawes is more like a 55-56. It's very small and is basically a converted road bike geometry.

Thanks for your help!

If you can suggest solid/light older frames, I am open to just about anything, just must have the 68mm English BB.
If you like how the Pista handles and are looking for a bike similar to it, why not just get a Pista then?
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the difference between a pista and a surly with 4130 is a pound at best.
It's not all about weight when it comes to metals. Stiffness plays a very important part as well. Flex=wasted/misdirected (therefore wasted) energy.
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Good points ya'll.

It's hard to ask a question and then give someone a hard time for trying to answer. But the question relates specifically to an aggressive geometry, on the lighter-side-for-the-$$ frame or frame and fork combo.


Even though flex= wasted energy, few people will suggest an aluminum bike for street use, and it's lighter and stiffer, so along with that observation how about a suggestion?
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Why hasn't anyone mentioned the KiloTT yet?

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It's not all about weight when it comes to metals. Stiffness plays a very important part as well. Flex=wasted/misdirected (therefore wasted) energy.
Not really.
Unless you're plastically deforming your frame on every downstroke.
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It's not all about weight when it comes to metals. Stiffness plays a very important part as well. Flex=wasted/misdirected (therefore wasted) energy.
How much faster would you be on a 1K velodrome race on a stiff bike as compared to not-as-stiff one?
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How much faster would you be on a 1K velodrome race on a stiff bike as compared to not-as-stiff one?
not relevant to the post.
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generally you're not going to find a light inexpensive frame. The best I can say for what you may want is a bareknuckle. It's very aggressive and light too, but it $200 more than what you want to spend. If you're going to get what you are looking for in a frame, then the extra is worth it since you'll be happy
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when discussing just a frame, a pound is kinda huge, wouldn't you say?
the difference between a four pound frame and a five pound frame is 20%
Take a really good dump before you ride. Its non rotational weight.
 
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Don't mean to high jack thread, but I'm trying to decide between the SST and The Hour. if I get the SST will I feel like I made a mistake later on or is The Hour and the SST too familiar in frame geo to really make a difference?
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Originally Posted by baxtefer View Post
Why hasn't anyone mentioned the KiloTT yet?



Not really.
Unless you're plastically deforming your frame on every downstroke.
Because they would rather just mention a KHS flight.
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generally you're not going to find a light inexpensive frame. The best I can say for what you may want is a bareknuckle. It's very aggressive and light too, but it $200 more than what you want to spend. If you're going to get what you are looking for in a frame, then the extra is worth it since you'll be happy
I've heard somewhere that Bareknuckle frames are soft. Can anyone substantiate or undermine this claim from experience?
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IMO those Bareknuckles are overpriced.
Have you seen one in person? I was not impressed at all.
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Anybody familiar with Kazane frames? I saw one in person and it looked pretty decent.
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I've heard good things about bareknuckle.

Never heard it's soft.

Between the SST and The Hour, get the hour. It's better in pretty much every way- finish, geometry, stiffness, appearance (IMO). My buddy got the hour when i got the sst, so I passed parts along to him, like my front brake, seat, and pedals. He got some clips and couldn't put them on the stock well-go's.


I guess I might look at the Pista again. I just hate to be the three thousandth person riding a friggin Pista.

If so many ppl are riding Pista Concepts on the street I'm wondering if I should go with a Dolan.
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IMO those Bareknuckles are overpriced.
Have you seen one in person? I was not impressed at all.
I rode my friends and it's pretty nice looking in person to me but yes they are sadly overpriced. Do you think importing them is what contributes to the spike though?

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I've heard somewhere that Bareknuckle frames are soft. Can anyone substantiate or undermine this claim from experience?
i don't know what you mean by "soft" but when I rode one, it was pretty stiff.

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I've heard good things about bareknuckle.

Never heard it's soft.

Between the SST and The Hour, get the hour. It's better in pretty much every way- finish, geometry, stiffness, appearance (IMO). My buddy got the hour when i got the sst, so I passed parts along to him, like my front brake, seat, and pedals. He got some clips and couldn't put them on the stock well-go's.


I guess I might look at the Pista again. I just hate to be the three thousandth person riding a friggin Pista.

If so many ppl are riding Pista Concepts on the street I'm wondering if I should go with a Dolan.
so you don't want a steel frame anymore? Dolans aren't exactly inexpensive.

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