Helmet Debate thread
08-21-08, 10:11 AM
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Helmet Debate thread
Due to the post of a recent accident of a helmetless biker on the brooklyn bridge, there has been more discussion about helmet wearing.
Since i know you all have oppinions about everything, and for the most part want to share them, here is a good place to voice said oppinions.
do you think that there should be a mandatory helmet law for bikes where you live?
Since i know you all have oppinions about everything, and for the most part want to share them, here is a good place to voice said oppinions.
do you think that there should be a mandatory helmet law for bikes where you live?
08-21-08, 10:27 AM
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why do you want a helmet debate? can i just go ahead and call you all dumbasses and inbreeders and noobs and brake-using wusses now, or do i have to wait a bit? maybe a pre-emptive text assault?
08-21-08, 10:33 AM
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Im sure a helmet law would bring a rise in demand for non conventional "cool" helmets. I remember when I was a kid I saw an add for a bike / skate helmet that had a duck bill so it looked like a hat. if they made something safe that looked ok I would be down.
08-21-08, 11:06 AM
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Rather unfortunately though, the bill blocked my vision when I was in the drops and I would have to tilt my head up too much to look forward, causing serious neck soreness. I ended up cutting it off which is unfortunate as I really liked it and found it practical as hell with more upright geometry.
If you were riding a bike set up with risers or flat bars, maybe even bullhorns you'd be cool probably.
08-21-08, 11:41 AM
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I have one just like that.
Rather unfortunately though, the bill blocked my vision when I was in the drops and I would have to tilt my head up too much to look forward, causing serious neck soreness. I ended up cutting it off which is unfortunate as I really liked it and found it practical as hell with more upright geometry.
If you were riding a bike set up with risers or flat bars, maybe even bullhorns you'd be cool probably.
Rather unfortunately though, the bill blocked my vision when I was in the drops and I would have to tilt my head up too much to look forward, causing serious neck soreness. I ended up cutting it off which is unfortunate as I really liked it and found it practical as hell with more upright geometry.
If you were riding a bike set up with risers or flat bars, maybe even bullhorns you'd be cool probably.
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i'm looking for linkable info, but someone did a study about helmets in traffic.
his findings were that drivers were more aggressive towards those wearing helmets, and typically gave them less room than those who didn't (he took a "wear a helmet for x days, then wear no helmet for x days approach; same people, same bike, same roads).
his conclusion was that drivers view those with helmets as less threatening, and were subsequently less likely to feel obligated to respect the drivers (wearing a helmet also increased verbal confrontation from drivers to cyclists).
like i said, i'll look for this guy's stuff so i can link.
his findings were that drivers were more aggressive towards those wearing helmets, and typically gave them less room than those who didn't (he took a "wear a helmet for x days, then wear no helmet for x days approach; same people, same bike, same roads).
his conclusion was that drivers view those with helmets as less threatening, and were subsequently less likely to feel obligated to respect the drivers (wearing a helmet also increased verbal confrontation from drivers to cyclists).
like i said, i'll look for this guy's stuff so i can link.
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Same goes for motorcycles.. Article here
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i'm looking for linkable info, but someone did a study about helmets in traffic.
his findings were that drivers were more aggressive towards those wearing helmets, and typically gave them less room than those who didn't (he took a "wear a helmet for x days, then wear no helmet for x days approach; same people, same bike, same roads).
his conclusion was that drivers view those with helmets as less threatening, and were subsequently less likely to feel obligated to respect the drivers (wearing a helmet also increased verbal confrontation from drivers to cyclists).
like i said, i'll look for this guy's stuff so i can link.
his findings were that drivers were more aggressive towards those wearing helmets, and typically gave them less room than those who didn't (he took a "wear a helmet for x days, then wear no helmet for x days approach; same people, same bike, same roads).
his conclusion was that drivers view those with helmets as less threatening, and were subsequently less likely to feel obligated to respect the drivers (wearing a helmet also increased verbal confrontation from drivers to cyclists).
like i said, i'll look for this guy's stuff so i can link.
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still looking, but this is interesting:
https://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...eing.transport
ed: 1fluffhead-- yeah, i think that might be what i saw.
Originally Posted by some british dude
"Indeed, the Bicycle Helmet Research Foundation estimates that the average cyclist would have to pedal the roads for more than 3,000 years to suffer a serious head injury, let alone one that would be mitigated by a cycle helmet," wrote Porter. "Research suggests that the mere donning of protective gear such as helmets encourages cyclists to take more risks on the road, and therefore, paradoxically, increase their risk of serious injury." Porter added that he was happy for his children to cycle without helmets.
Originally Posted by same british dude
When cycle helmets were made compulsory in Australia the number of people cycling fell by a third, and although the number of serious head injuries fell, too, it only fell by 11%. So, despite a large rise in Australia in helmet use, the risk of head injury among those who continued to cycle actually rose. Of course, one can't infer from this that cycle helmets cause serious head injuries, but the statistical association of a rise in both helmet use and in head injuries is embarrassing for those who advocate helmets.
ed: 1fluffhead-- yeah, i think that might be what i saw.
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If a helmet law ever gets put in place im totally getting one of these
https://www.smithbrothers.com/product...&zmap=X3-36266
https://www.smithbrothers.com/product...&zmap=X3-36266
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I have one just like that.
Rather unfortunately though, the bill blocked my vision when I was in the drops and I would have to tilt my head up too much to look forward, causing serious neck soreness. I ended up cutting it off which is unfortunate as I really liked it and found it practical as hell with more upright geometry.
If you were riding a bike set up with risers or flat bars, maybe even bullhorns you'd be cool probably.
Rather unfortunately though, the bill blocked my vision when I was in the drops and I would have to tilt my head up too much to look forward, causing serious neck soreness. I ended up cutting it off which is unfortunate as I really liked it and found it practical as hell with more upright geometry.
If you were riding a bike set up with risers or flat bars, maybe even bullhorns you'd be cool probably.
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i'm looking for linkable info, but someone did a study about helmets in traffic.
his findings were that drivers were more aggressive towards those wearing helmets, and typically gave them less room than those who didn't (he took a "wear a helmet for x days, then wear no helmet for x days approach; same people, same bike, same roads).
his conclusion was that drivers view those with helmets as less threatening, and were subsequently less likely to feel obligated to respect the drivers (wearing a helmet also increased verbal confrontation from drivers to cyclists).
like i said, i'll look for this guy's stuff so i can link.
his findings were that drivers were more aggressive towards those wearing helmets, and typically gave them less room than those who didn't (he took a "wear a helmet for x days, then wear no helmet for x days approach; same people, same bike, same roads).
his conclusion was that drivers view those with helmets as less threatening, and were subsequently less likely to feel obligated to respect the drivers (wearing a helmet also increased verbal confrontation from drivers to cyclists).
like i said, i'll look for this guy's stuff so i can link.
For comparison, I know that when I wear "normal" street clothes, I get heckled by drivers more, and they are meaner, but when I'm decked out in my cycling fashion, I get heckled less, and drivers treat me better.
And in both cases I'm wearing a helmet.
I think (at least in my city) drivers don't take a person wearing shorts or jeans, and t shirt seriously when riding in the street, but if I look the part in cycling clothes, they take me as a serious cyclist, and respect me more.
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still looking, but this is interesting
https://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...eing.transport
ed: 1fluffhead-- yeah, i think that might be what i saw.
https://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...eing.transport
ed: 1fluffhead-- yeah, i think that might be what i saw.
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If a helmet law ever gets put in place im totally getting one of these
https://www.smithbrothers.com/product...&zmap=X3-36266
https://www.smithbrothers.com/product...&zmap=X3-36266
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I bought mine right off the rack, the guy said "nope, no box or anything" when I picked it up so I had to remove mine with an exacto knife. This pisses me off a bit
Still, it's an awesome helmet.
i'm looking for linkable info, but someone did a study about helmets in traffic.
his findings were that drivers were more aggressive towards those wearing helmets, and typically gave them less room than those who didn't (he took a "wear a helmet for x days, then wear no helmet for x days approach; same people, same bike, same roads).
his conclusion was that drivers view those with helmets as less threatening, and were subsequently less likely to feel obligated to respect the drivers (wearing a helmet also increased verbal confrontation from drivers to cyclists).
like i said, i'll look for this guy's stuff so i can link.
his findings were that drivers were more aggressive towards those wearing helmets, and typically gave them less room than those who didn't (he took a "wear a helmet for x days, then wear no helmet for x days approach; same people, same bike, same roads).
his conclusion was that drivers view those with helmets as less threatening, and were subsequently less likely to feel obligated to respect the drivers (wearing a helmet also increased verbal confrontation from drivers to cyclists).
like i said, i'll look for this guy's stuff so i can link.
Interesting results, i'd like to see the full article. when was the study done and what city? I have a feeling that might change things though.
For comparison, I know that when I wear "normal" street clothes, I get heckled by drivers more, and they are meaner, but when I'm decked out in my cycling fashion, I get heckled less, and drivers treat me better.
And in both cases I'm wearing a helmet.
I think (at least in my city) drivers don't take a person wearing shorts or jeans, and t shirt seriously when riding in the street, but if I look the part in cycling clothes, they take me as a serious cyclist, and respect me more.
For comparison, I know that when I wear "normal" street clothes, I get heckled by drivers more, and they are meaner, but when I'm decked out in my cycling fashion, I get heckled less, and drivers treat me better.
And in both cases I'm wearing a helmet.
I think (at least in my city) drivers don't take a person wearing shorts or jeans, and t shirt seriously when riding in the street, but if I look the part in cycling clothes, they take me as a serious cyclist, and respect me more.
On a day I'm tired and ride slowly, I get very little respect from drivers. I do think drivers pick up on what they subconsciously assess as your "skill level" and respond accordingly, but that said a helmet already saved me from what would likely be a trip to the hospital, so I wear mine every time I'm on my bike.