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Toe Overlap on a 50cm kilo

Old 09-13-08, 10:08 PM
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Toe Overlap on a 50cm kilo

I have what I think is really bad toe overlap on my kilo. I can't even turn around on a normal residential street cause my feet just hit the tire. I already swapped out the straps to some shorter ones, but they didn't really do much. I was thinking of maybe trying to get a new fork that was at more of an angle. Does anyone have any experience with doing something like that? And any tips on what to get. I wanna go as cheap as possible.

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Old 09-13-08, 10:19 PM
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if you wanna go as cheap as possible, don't worry about it
i.e. forget about it

toe overlap is only a problem when you're riding less than 5mph
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Old 09-13-08, 10:30 PM
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Don't change the fork. It will just mess up the bike(let alone I don't think you could find a fork to fix it). If you don't like the over lap then you should just get a different frame with a longer wheel base. That's the only real way to fix it. By changing the fork it will change the geometry of the bike, making it ride different(wrong, the way it should not).
How often do you plan on doing circle on a street, that kind of seem counter productive to me. I bike transports you, It's not a Mary-Go-Round.
When you actually ride you will never have to worry about it.
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Old 09-13-08, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by amckimmey View Post
Don't change the fork. It will just mess up the bike(let alone I don't think you could find a fork to fix it). If you don't like the over lap then you should just get a different frame with a longer wheel base. That's the only real way to fix it. By changing the fork it will change the geometry of the bike, making it ride different(wrong, the way it should not).
How often do you plan on doing circle on a street, that kind of seem counter productive to me. I bike transports you, It's not a Mary-Go-Round.
When you actually ride you will never have to worry about it.
That would make sense. I guess it's more of a thing I need to get out of my mind. Its just that every turn I go around I think about the wheel hitting my foot, and me flipping over the bars. And thats no fun. And after I don't flip over the bars I realize that at higher speeds the wheel doesnt really turn much, cause I lean.

Oh well, I guess I'll get used to it and see what happens. Thanks
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Old 09-13-08, 11:38 PM
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yeah, dw bout it.. just be careful of it when you are doing the slower turns..
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Old 09-13-08, 11:42 PM
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you'll get used to it, I did



I just push my toe down when turning at slow speed and as everyone'll tell you it doesn't matter when you go fast!

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Old 09-13-08, 11:51 PM
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hahah i feal you
just need your peace of mind
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Old 09-14-08, 03:30 AM
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When making a very slow speed turn, just unclip your outside foot and place the tip of the shoe at the end of the pedal. The pedal will clear the tire and the clip will not scrape the ground.

Clip/tire overlap is a common problem on track geometry frames, but when you are actually riding the bike it is very rare that it should come up.
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Old 09-14-08, 03:41 AM
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A track frame will have tighter geometry, which equals toe overlap. Lean more, or point your feet down when doing slow turns.
If you keep having issues, try a fixie with road geo, to lower any chance of toe overlap.
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Old 09-14-08, 03:59 AM
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Ive got so much overlap on my TK2 that I cant use regular pedals. I mean it only affects me when I'm going 2mph in a parking lot, so I just tiptoe my eggbeaters.
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Old 09-14-08, 04:29 AM
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If you're ready for it, toe overlap is not a big problem. So what if your foot is dragging on the front wheel a little bit? You're going so slowly that you'll only ever actually lock up the wheel catastrophically if you're not paying attention. If it looks like you can't get away with a particularly tight turn, unclip/unstrap the offending foot like Uhl described.
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Old 09-14-08, 06:55 AM
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i have overlap on a 57 alien frame(i have monster feet). don't stress, your feet arent glued to the pedals and you will eventually learn how and when to turn with the toe overlap.
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Old 09-14-08, 11:31 AM
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the overlap on my 50cm Kilo was way too much for me to deal with or get used to. I ended up selling it after I got a Dawes SST in 54cm which has no overlap (I should have been riding a 53cm Kilo anyway). I miss how light the Kilo was, but love not having to deal with that overlap.
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Old 09-14-08, 01:03 PM
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Shorter cranks are always an option. If your bike has 170s you could go to 165s which would help with overlap as well as pedal strike and (reportedly) is easier to spin fast
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I don't see whats so hard about spending more time on your bike until timing your pedaling with tight turns (which are hardly ever necessary) is second nature. I ride a 50cm Kilo with 165mm cranks in clipless pedals/shoes through the city streets and it is never a problem.

I don't mean to sound like an ass but selling your bike because of it? Come on dude. It's not that bad really. 9/10 people I know with track bikes have mean overlap and it is not an issue if you spend some more time on the bike, period.

Dave Moulton even has a blog on the subject..
https://davesbikeblog.blogspot.com/20...o-problem.html
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Old 09-14-08, 02:33 PM
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point your toe down?
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Originally Posted by JaeOne3345 View Post
I don't see whats so hard about spending more time on your bike until timing your pedaling with tight turns (which are hardly ever necessary) is second nature. I ride a 50cm Kilo with 165mm cranks in clipless pedals/shoes through the city streets and it is never a problem.

I don't mean to sound like an ass but selling your bike because of it? Come on dude. It's not that bad really. 9/10 people I know with track bikes have mean overlap and it is not an issue if you spend some more time on the bike, period.
Come on dude what? It shouldn't bother you what I choose to do with my own bikes, but I did say that I should have been riding a 53cm anyway. I could never get comfortable on the 50cm and after buying the SST, I didn't see the point in keeping an extra bike that didn't fit me well, period.
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Originally Posted by jadphoto14 View Post
That would make sense. I guess it's more of a thing I need to get out of my mind. Its just that every turn I go around I think about the wheel hitting my foot, and me flipping over the bars. And thats no fun. And after I don't flip over the bars I realize that at higher speeds the wheel doesnt really turn much, cause I lean.

Oh well, I guess I'll get used to it and see what happens. Thanks
Yup, I had my worse fall when I was practically standing still and got caught in the "TOE OVERLAP OF DOOM!" at noraml speeds it barely (if ever) bothers me.
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Old 09-14-08, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by daybreak View Post
Come on dude what? It shouldn't bother you what I choose to do with my own bikes, but I did say that I should have been riding a 53cm anyway. I could never get comfortable on the 50cm and after buying the SST, I didn't see the point in keeping an extra bike that didn't fit me well, period.
Bother me? Nah. You posted on a discussion for, and well, therefore people will discuss what has been posted.

The tone of your message was as though the selling factor was more due to overlap then sizing anyway. Moot point as a 53 has overlap too.

The bottom line is that any bike with "aggressive" geo is gonna have a bit of overlap, but it is NOT a problem at all once you've had some time on the bike. You just used to it. Plain and simple. It's like riding in drops, even with a proper bike fit, riding drops can feel odd and uncomfortable, but after awhile, it's fine.

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Old 09-14-08, 05:15 PM
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just angle your heel down so your toe is pointing up and lean into the turn a bit more. you will get used to it, just dont over think it.
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Old 09-14-08, 06:08 PM
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on my 50.5cm nagasawa i didn't have overlap =\

sucks for you jk
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Haha thanks
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this is a good discussion about toe overlap, and the link that JaeOne posted revealed some good insight into the topic also. Whenever I think about my toes overlapping, I sit back and regret: why didn't I get the 52cm? Did it matter so much for my balls to clear the top tube? Now I will sit on my Rocky Mountain Boroughs 50cm with a little more confidence and knowledge. I also might just put my toe clips back on, instead of riding on the tips of my toes.
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Old 02-05-09, 04:29 AM
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it just has to do with geometry and clip size and crank length

to the OP, both of the bikes in my sig didn't have overlap

50.5cm nagasawa w/ 165 da7600 cranks + custom nuevos + small clips
52cm Fuji track pro w/ 165 sug 75 cranks + gr9s + mediums clips

friend of mine has a 53cm leader 721tr with 165 sug 75 cranks + mks sylvans + large clips
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Try these options in this order:
- Point your foot down when turning
- Get a smaller sized (less deep) toe clip
- 23c tire on the front
- Try clipless pedals
- Shorter crank arms
- Chop off your big toe (you only need it for running and since you are on a bike what does it matter?)
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