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Why are Sugino 75's so damn expensive?

Old 09-26-08, 03:11 PM
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Why are Sugino 75's so damn expensive?

Are they much better than these Andel cranks? How so?
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Some bike stuff is priced on BS, but some stuff is fairly priced.

Sugino 75 cranks are made from cold forged aluminum and machined to be super concentric. The square taper penetration is extremely precise also, and is dimensionally spot on for JIS.

The simple fact that Sugino also makes cranks cheaper, also points to the fact that the more expensive 75's might be something better/different. Not all companies have this distinction, but Sugino does.

When you hold a set of Sugino 75's or Miche Primato etc. cranks in your hand, you will see the difference.
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well, they come from japan.

and the dollar's not exactly at a high point.
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The Andel set are also cold forged. They are the same as Alien and a few other rebadged sets. I have both 75s and the Andels. I cannot tell the difference, so... I prefer my Andels since they cost less. They are 144bcd. I don't care as much when they get scratched, rubbed, scuffed.
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Originally Posted by Erzulis Boat View Post
or Miche Primato etc. cranks in your hand, you will see the difference.

I don't find the Miche Primato cranks to be of that high quality, at least the ones i own attest to that.
The manafacturing tolerances are pretty poor, which is evident in the amount of runout on my setup at the moment. I wouldn't expect the Sugino 75's to have such problems, which is probably why they cost so much more.
Someone much smarter than me also answers your question much better right here:
https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fixed.asp
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i dont race on a velodrome and this isnt the track forum, but i am totally satisfied with my sugino messenger crankset. class and image aside...
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Originally Posted by Ride Among Us View Post
The Andel set are also cold forged. They are the same as Alien and a few other rebadged sets. I have both 75s and the Andels. I cannot tell the difference, so... I prefer my Andels since they cost less. They are 144bcd. I don't care as much when they get scratched, rubbed, scuffed.
Do you have tight spots in your chain with the Andel cranks?
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75's are expensive because you guys are willing to pay for them.

4 years ago they were dead cheap. ~$100.
fixed gear popularity exploded and all of a sudden they cost $190.
and you can't blame the yen for that. Because up until June 2007 the yen had been doing worse than the USD.
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Do you have tight spots in your chain with the Andel cranks?
i do, although i haven't tried retightening the chain ring bolts via sheldon method.

i also run some more slack in my chain and after riding it/stretching out, its not as noticeable.
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Originally Posted by TPR950H View Post
i do, although i haven't tried retightening the chain ring bolts via sheldon method.

i also run some more slack in my chain and after riding it/stretching out, its not as noticeable.

retightening the chain ring bolts via sheldon method
What's his secret??
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Originally Posted by Erzulis Boat View Post
Some bike stuff is priced on BS, but some stuff is fairly priced.

Sugino 75 cranks are made from cold forged aluminum and machined to be super concentric. The square taper penetration is extremely precise also, and is dimensionally spot on for JIS.

The simple fact that Sugino also makes cranks cheaper, also points to the fact that the more expensive 75's might be something better/different. Not all companies have this distinction, but Sugino does.

When you hold a set of Sugino 75's or Miche Primato etc. cranks in your hand, you will see the difference.
right on--- same with campy track--- lets get serious.. end of discussion-- if I'm building a real bike
I am going to spend the dough......
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Supply and demand... if there hadn't been this fixed gear= new skateboard explosion, then they'd still be reasonably priced.
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Old 09-26-08, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by G piny parnas View Post
wrong--- track bikes are the real bicycles--- they should be put together by hand and with the
most pro. built parts--- anybody who thinks this is a trend, needs to study their history,
blah, blah--- from the wright bros to Major Taylor to todays Lance A.--- I will always appreciate
heady, math. correct, builds..... yaddda, yadda..... get it on-- everyone should build the new hot rod-- the Track Bike......
Are you on meth?
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Just get a Campagnolo track crank and be done with it. Quit messin' around.
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They are machined to a pretty solid rigor, and I mean, ****ing hype machine with the NJS stamp. Throwing a pair on my panasonic once it makes it to america.
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Its pretty sad that you have to pay that much, and I got a complete campy compact double for my road bike for only 50 dollars on ebay.
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then dont pay bencycle price for them. get them used. i bought mine for 150$ with 48t ring. mint =) u can find deals just be patient.
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do Andels come in silver? im intrigued. I have a set of origin8 right now.
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Originally Posted by bbattle View Post
Just get a Campagnolo track crank and be done with it. Quit messin' around.
yea man this guy knows what's up. Campy Beetchez!
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Just get a Campagnolo track crank and be done with it. Quit messin' around.
I run a campy crank too. But just on one side cause I can't afford two..
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Pete J posted a link to Peter White's page on fixed gear cranks.

I recommend it as a good read:

https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fixed.asp

One pays extra for more precision and roundness of the crank and the chainring, and this means more speed for less effort.

One also pays more for more strength and less weight.

Put them all together:rounder, lighter, stronger...cost more.

After reading Peter White's thoughts on the subject, and considering the responses I got to my 1/8 vs 3/32 chain thread, the Sugino 75 cranks with a Sugino Zen Messenger ring sound like the maximum value for the money.

I think one can pay more and not get much more, or one can pay less and definitely get less.

Sugino 75 cranks list from $190 to $219 at John Dace's Businesscycles, and Zen Messenger rings from John cost $73.

Call it $375 for a crankset.

Expensive?

Yes.

The best?

Maybe not.

The best for the money?

Arguably so.

For years I rode with a Sugino RD crank and cheap 130 BCD road chain rings, all of which probably cost less than $100.

Do I feel $275 difference between the RD crankset and the 75 crankset?

No.

Still, if I can afford it, I would prefer the 75 crankset; not for the bragging rights, but for the roundness.
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After writing the above, I went back to John's site and added up a Dura Ace crankset ($410) and a Dura Ace bottom bracket ($70), for $480.

A Sugino 75 crankset and bottom bracket would cost from $355 (silver cranks and Messenger ring) to $430 (black cranks and Zen ring).

Or a Sugino RD crank, a Shimano road ring, and Sugino's cheapest bottom bracket for less than $170.

Choices, choices, choices.
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Hell I will sell you my square taper dura ace track cranks njs with dura ace bb and chain ring for $250!
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i SOLD a mint set of da 7600 cranks+49t 7710 ring for 250! =)

after buying

da7600 cranks
4 da njs rings
custom nuevos
mks clips
kashimax straps

all for 220$ shipped
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After writing the above, I went back to John's site and added up a Dura Ace crankset ($410) and a Dura Ace bottom bracket ($70), for $480.

A Sugino 75 crankset and bottom bracket would cost from $355 (silver cranks and Messenger ring) to $430 (black cranks and Zen ring).

Or a Sugino RD crank, a Shimano road ring, and Sugino's cheapest bottom bracket for less than $170.

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