they're decent rims. i'd choose 'em over deep vs any day.

I had a set of A-spokes I rocked for a year and a half (even did a century on them and had no complaints). While they are VERY heavy and flexy I didn't mind, at the time, because I got used to them and thought of them as training, BUT once I change my wheelset to phils on OPs, I though something was wrong with my bike because of how much quicker it handled. I used to rep A-spokes but now see why they are mainly for show. While I do miss their look I don't miss their performance.

You should also skip Deep Vs too but base on your choices, it seems you are after looks and not performance. If so then do what makes you happy. I still think A-spokes look great though

Okay, so I woke up on the wrong side of the bed and was a jerk.

Check out this thread from a year and a half ago:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...aerospoke+deep

"Now i dont want no mess about being a troll or this being a redundant ? cuz its not. I may be able to get a aerospoke and want to know how well it is compared to deep v's."

A year and ahalf ago. And the guy apologizes for being redundant.

SEARCH!

Edit: Hey, it was Gyeswho who posted a year and a half ago! Good etiquette in your original post, sir! And thanks for sticking around to contribute!

I agree a million times over that Philslaced to OP's, aeroheads, etc. is the better wheel.

However, I will also openly admit that I think Aerospokes look like sex. They farking look great.

get some of those CHUB hubs and have them laced up to aeroheads or fuzions

blah blah blah

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8188/picture8ko3.png

Hello and welcome to: You are out at least 100 dollars for jumping the gun.

I mean what did you really expect from bogus weight claims and 42mm deep sections rims offered solely to appease hipsters?

phils to deep v's,...... please, youre gonna be like myself and everyone else

different config than mine, and I'd still never order those from an online store. Support your LBS and know your wheel builder its worth it. But hey its a good deal if your into it do for it.

Perhaps you could have told your LBS to try and do any sort of price match, I mean I like to support my LBS too but its not like Im going to give them 140 dollar *******s. As for differnt configuration, Im pretty sure your post said "no configuration could be less than 600 blah blah"

Anyone run open pro's to Miche? priced them at 300.

i got caught up in all the hype and got me some deep v's when i built up my wheels- deep v x pauls x dt comp and theyre amazing. my senior mechanics said get dt rims but i liked the cheaper deep vs weight isnt a huge issue on a commuter for me and no offense, but at 250, weight should not be a huge issue for you either. my wheels have not needed to be trued for months (though i check every 2 weeks) and i do tricks and ride off curbs and the streets in pittsburgh are the worst in any city ive ever ridden. the deep v's are super strong and much cheaper than aerospokes. also, my problem with aerospokes is half the time you need to use tubulars ($$$ and not many tread options) and also, if they break you cant really fix them whereas you can replace a spoke for $1

also, one good fact about deep v's- a guy my shop sponsors who won race across america for his age group trains on deep v's and he likes them. he put 40,000 training miles on a wheel in less than 2 years and he wore out 2 hubs (mavic and shimano) and rebuilt the rim twice before he decided to get a new wheel- they last forever.

miche+ambrosio=:thumb:

special ordered low flange double fix, dt champ spokes, op's, also come with a lifetime of truing and repair. and no LBS matches online stores. I stand corrected on my statement though it would seem i was wrong, but i still wouldn't call an online wheel build a quality professionally built set. either way good deal go for it

yes they are heavy, they flex, and honestly dont look entirely THAT great...

well, not in that combo, but i've used those rims and i've used those hubs. fine choices, both of them. miche are a good value, with well-sealed bearings. open pros are a solid, tough box section eyeletted rim. what more could you want?

A little OT, what about Open Pro to Formula, but with Phil Wood (ceramic? :P) bearings? How is that gonna feel compared to an actual Phil Wood hub?

I've got an Open Pro chillin' in my closet, along with a Formula rear fixed/free, and I can order ceramic bearings for decently cheap from work.

This is one of the more restrained Aerospoke-related threads I have ever seen.

the best way to do anything is find a friend in a shop, pay him for parts and give him a case of beers to build your wheels. people i work with get their friends/gf's employee pricing stuff all the time- it may be unethical but really nobody cares. i built up pauls to deep v's with all the fixins- fancy spokes, veloplugs, fancy colored nipples etc etc for under 300 with employee discounts. just buddy up to a cool mechanic in a shop and buy a nice case if beer for him and he'll surely build you some wheels overnight.

Weight weight weight

Velocity Aeroheads = 425g
Mavic Open Pro = 435g
Velocity Deep V = 520g

That's a difference of 0.19 pounds between a Deep V and an Open Pro. That's 0.38lbs for the pair. Is an extra 0.38lbs on your bike really sacrificing ride for fashion? Just for reference one 12oz can of beer weighs 0.75lbs.

yes but .38lbs of rotational mass makes a HUGE difference! dead weight lb for lb has very little impact as compared to rotational mass. It's like getting 15lb lighter wheels on a car and still increasing acceleration even though the car weighs 2000lbs. Also you should know that the further away from the rotational center the weight is the larger the impact is. This is how you can get away with more weight on a hub and decrease weight on a rim and the wheels feel much lighter. Check your physics before posting :thumb:

This is also wrong. Maybe YOUR lbs does not waver in price due to no circumstance. When I got my dp-18s and formula hubs a local LBS matched online prices for me.

Negligible. The ratio for rotational to static mass is about 2:1 for a bike wheel. So double my previous weight to 170grams or 0.76 lbs, about the weight of 12oz's of beer, or juice for all you straight edgers. The extra 0.38lbs will also only be felt during acceleration and braking (if you're even that sensitive to force). This is accounting for the weight being at the most outer part of the wheel. So if we were going to get picky it would actually be less.

So I stand strong on my point, how is that sacrificing ride for fashion. Unless you're a weight weenie, in which you wouldn't be looking at Open Pro's anyways.

Also comparing it to a car is like comparing a rubber band gun to a Gatling. There are other forces to think about with a car. Unsprung mass including unsprung rotational, sprung mass, and even hybrid mass.

Why not? Their creds seem good:

"Pro Wheel Builder has been building wheels since 1994. Our experienced technicians have built over 2500 wheels to include: road wheels, aero wheels, downhill wheels, cross country wheels, tandem wheels, cyclo cross wheels, bmx wheels and recumbent wheels. Our Barnett and Shimano certified technicians have over 20 years experience. All of our wheels are hand built one at a time. With our experience and qualifications we guarantee that you will get the highest quality wheels available."

Build wheels all day for a great price, no shop no overhead, seems like a good business model to me.

Because you cant see their beards and talk to them about what kind of beer they lyke duhhhhh no way can someone who works for a successful business know how to build wheels.

wtf @ no all caps filter? AAARRGGGGHHH TESSSSSTTTTTTTTT.

We've got a nifty bike shop around here and the wheel builder is blind. Watching him build and true wheels is crazy.