H plus Son - anyone know whats up?
11-24-08, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by deathhare
at t arckbike we have a real thread on this.
holy ****, it is!!!
11-24-08, 01:40 PM
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More pics here... https://www.flickr.com/photos/ganring...7609868064447/
11-24-08, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by John Prolly's Blog
My take on what happened:
It's obvious the rim exploded at the valve-stem drilling in the rim. What most likely occurred was that the rider made an error we all have at some point; he didn't properly nest the tube and tire within the hooks of the rim's cross-section.
What usually happens when you do that is your tube slips past the wire bead of the tire and forms a bubble. You can ride on it like this, but it will eventually explode. From my observation, it appears that the rim's inner wall was weaker than the tire bead and it took the released force the hardest resulting in the damage shown above.
These rims are deeper than Velocity Deep Vs and appear to be 1/2 the weight as well. Something has been compromised in the process.
The rider was not bunny-hopping or doing anything that would cause this kind of fracture. I was told that he just did a skid and heard a "pop".
It's obvious the rim exploded at the valve-stem drilling in the rim. What most likely occurred was that the rider made an error we all have at some point; he didn't properly nest the tube and tire within the hooks of the rim's cross-section.
What usually happens when you do that is your tube slips past the wire bead of the tire and forms a bubble. You can ride on it like this, but it will eventually explode. From my observation, it appears that the rim's inner wall was weaker than the tire bead and it took the released force the hardest resulting in the damage shown above.
These rims are deeper than Velocity Deep Vs and appear to be 1/2 the weight as well. Something has been compromised in the process.
The rider was not bunny-hopping or doing anything that would cause this kind of fracture. I was told that he just did a skid and heard a "pop".
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11-24-08, 01:54 PM
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Founding:
The "plus" in H Plus Son is the story of its founding; a struggle. The plus is a struggle between father and son, between tradition and rebellion, between productivity and heart, between the bottom line and reckless passion.
Away from the conditioned air of the west to the sweaty factory floor, the son returns. The industrial monstrosity which took the margin with stride spoke nothing of the passion he pursued. The "plus" is a transformation by necessity. It is the addition of the father and the son.
The shimmering roof of the new factory tells of its eventual demise. Yet, at the zenith of China's industrial productivity, H Plus Son puts forth something different. Tired of the racist image of China as the swarming industrial anthill pushing forth towards quantity, we represent a new generation, no longer under the demands of necessity but show that quality, dedication and care can and will spring from anywhere.
Does that hint anything about cycling to you?
From No One Line Blog:https://nooneline.blogspot.com/2008/1...m-failure.html
"The lesson here is that companies with no reputation who surf trend waves into style scenes should be viewed with skepticism until they prove otherwise. Admirable performance over prolonged use is the proper vetting process when new bits and pieces hit the market. To jump to claims of durability and performance is, well, a bad choice."
I think the author here is bang-on-the-money: these rims come out, on paper look better than a deep-v in every way, lighter, deeper etc.. but there isn't anything about actual riding when it comes to this company. they are new. they are new in an industry where doing tricks etc is just coming of age (to most), they look durable doesn't = perform durable.
I'm sure any wheel will taco pretty bad when abused, but if this company came out to become a fashion wheel, with loads of 'street cred' but with a product that hasn't reached maturity... I'd be a bit hesitant to try it.. hopefully this is just one bad rim, but improves the overall product..
Funny how interweb has spread the failure of this rim just as fast, if not faster, than the conception of these rims.
ironically I have yet to read any first-hand experiences of spinergy's rev-x collapsing from tricking etc... (yes i read that lawsuit website, but none of those were first hand, only ppl that wrote in)
The "plus" in H Plus Son is the story of its founding; a struggle. The plus is a struggle between father and son, between tradition and rebellion, between productivity and heart, between the bottom line and reckless passion.
Away from the conditioned air of the west to the sweaty factory floor, the son returns. The industrial monstrosity which took the margin with stride spoke nothing of the passion he pursued. The "plus" is a transformation by necessity. It is the addition of the father and the son.
The shimmering roof of the new factory tells of its eventual demise. Yet, at the zenith of China's industrial productivity, H Plus Son puts forth something different. Tired of the racist image of China as the swarming industrial anthill pushing forth towards quantity, we represent a new generation, no longer under the demands of necessity but show that quality, dedication and care can and will spring from anywhere.
Does that hint anything about cycling to you?
From No One Line Blog:https://nooneline.blogspot.com/2008/1...m-failure.html
"The lesson here is that companies with no reputation who surf trend waves into style scenes should be viewed with skepticism until they prove otherwise. Admirable performance over prolonged use is the proper vetting process when new bits and pieces hit the market. To jump to claims of durability and performance is, well, a bad choice."
I think the author here is bang-on-the-money: these rims come out, on paper look better than a deep-v in every way, lighter, deeper etc.. but there isn't anything about actual riding when it comes to this company. they are new. they are new in an industry where doing tricks etc is just coming of age (to most), they look durable doesn't = perform durable.
I'm sure any wheel will taco pretty bad when abused, but if this company came out to become a fashion wheel, with loads of 'street cred' but with a product that hasn't reached maturity... I'd be a bit hesitant to try it.. hopefully this is just one bad rim, but improves the overall product..
Funny how interweb has spread the failure of this rim just as fast, if not faster, than the conception of these rims.
ironically I have yet to read any first-hand experiences of spinergy's rev-x collapsing from tricking etc... (yes i read that lawsuit website, but none of those were first hand, only ppl that wrote in)
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11-24-08, 02:31 PM
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Some gumshoe learned the following:
tarkbike.com user tzusing (is the Son in H+Son) says:
"My company's background is def more in raw material and production techniques...(meaning i come from a background of all those factories that make bicycle parts for brand names)"
"HKfixed is indeed selling my rims. But ordering from me is direct from the Kun Shan factory in China. (1 hour west of shanghai) and not Hong Kong."
..and the main bicycle factory in Kunshan is:
https://www.madeinchina.com/207493/aboutus.shtml
Giant Bowery also has what appears to be the SL42 rim.
tarkbike.com user tzusing (is the Son in H+Son) says:
"My company's background is def more in raw material and production techniques...(meaning i come from a background of all those factories that make bicycle parts for brand names)"
"HKfixed is indeed selling my rims. But ordering from me is direct from the Kun Shan factory in China. (1 hour west of shanghai) and not Hong Kong."
..and the main bicycle factory in Kunshan is:
https://www.madeinchina.com/207493/aboutus.shtml
Giant Bowery also has what appears to be the SL42 rim.
11-24-08, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by trueno92
ironically I have yet to read any first-hand experiences of spinergy's rev-x collapsing from tricking etc... (yes i read that lawsuit website, but none of those were first hand, only ppl that wrote in)
...while he was jumping off stairs.
11-24-08, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by queerpunk
Some gumshoe learned the following:
tarkbike.com user tzusing (is the Son in H+Son) says:
"My company's background is def more in raw material and production techniques...(meaning i come from a background of all those factories that make bicycle parts for brand names)"
"HKfixed is indeed selling my rims. But ordering from me is direct from the Kun Shan factory in China. (1 hour west of shanghai) and not Hong Kong."
..and the main bicycle factory in Kunshan is:
https://www.madeinchina.com/207493/aboutus.shtml
Giant Bowery also has what appears to be the SL42 rim.
tarkbike.com user tzusing (is the Son in H+Son) says:
"My company's background is def more in raw material and production techniques...(meaning i come from a background of all those factories that make bicycle parts for brand names)"
"HKfixed is indeed selling my rims. But ordering from me is direct from the Kun Shan factory in China. (1 hour west of shanghai) and not Hong Kong."
..and the main bicycle factory in Kunshan is:
https://www.madeinchina.com/207493/aboutus.shtml
Giant Bowery also has what appears to be the SL42 rim.
11-24-08, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by deathhare
I see. Yes, they are 42mm.
11-24-08, 04:16 PM
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Yeah i know that but the hplusson guy has been asked for low spoke counts like that and he said they werent available.
I dont know.
I dont know.
11-24-08, 04:18 PM
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I saw the Giant rims in person, thought they were Hplusson's at first until I realized the spoke count was low. They did look similar for sure. Good detective work above...
11-24-08, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by queerpunk
they collapsed underneath Felipe "The King" Robayo, on video, in a film that was part of the Bicycle Film Festival.
...while he was jumping off stairs.
...while he was jumping off stairs.
11-24-08, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Critical Jeff
If you could provide with further proof of this, I would be greatly appreciative. Not that I'm doubting your statement, I just know someone will.
11-24-08, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by queerpunk
11-24-08, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by eXCeSS
apparently that dudes parents own the giant factory in china
So its not a rumor then.
I guess that explains the resources to build quality rims.
