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H plus Son - anyone know whats up?

Old 11-07-08, 07:41 PM
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H plus Son - anyone know whats up?

Hey guys, who knows about these? i was interested in getting some H plus Son Formation Face rims and then just read a review from an Orange County forum saying that they are sketchy and bend when riding? does anyone have any more info???
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Old 11-07-08, 08:38 PM
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Bend while riding? HA
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Old 11-07-08, 08:49 PM
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maybe i got it a little wrong but still it wasnt an encouraging review, haha

http://www.orangecountyfixed.com/200...1/#post1441168

some other forums said they are bomb proof, but dont want to take my time building these up then break my neck when riding!
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All I know is what I read on here. Deeper profile than Deep-V for an actual aero benefit. Heavier than Deep-Vs also. They sure look pretty though.
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Old 11-07-08, 09:05 PM
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I would not take that "review" too seriously. If you actually take the time to read it the guy doesn't say that they bent, just that it seemed to him like they would bend. Well, he is obviously pretty clueless, so the way things seem to him doesn't mean too much.

tldr: don't believe the hype

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Old 11-07-08, 09:07 PM
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its like all the people who say the DP18s break at the seam and we have yet to see any actual proof of this ever happening.
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Old 11-07-08, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by monsterkidz View Post
All I know is what I read on here. Deeper profile than Deep-V for an actual aero benefit. Heavier than Deep-Vs also. They sure look pretty though.
582+-15 for the h+son
584 for the deep v

something close to that, theyre both in the 580s
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Old 11-07-08, 10:34 PM
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not too heavy your too weak
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Old 11-07-08, 10:51 PM
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i also wondered about the FF rims structural integrity, so i shot an email over to H+ voicing my concern, and received a reply the same day. basically, he stated that while this first run of FF rims are very durable (he did not go into much detail as to exactly how strong) they are currently in the process of testing a second gen FF "heavy" rim, which will the exact same rim but with thicker sidewalls, as the wall is where such a deep rim is most vulnerable. he went on to estimate a Q1 2009 release for the new rim. i'll probably hold off on a set until then just to be safe. side note: im not too concerned about the "heavy", in case youre wondering. these rims will be for my "recreational" bike (volume cutter) which i dont plan to do too much distance on. my business bike, makino, will continue to be my speed steed.

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Old 11-07-08, 11:15 PM
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I ride one that I got from Chari and Co here in NYC, and so far so good. And I'm by no means easy going on my bike, espcially wheels.
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Old 11-07-08, 11:40 PM
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Opinion time:

Here's what I've learned about info on wheels from the internet: it's basically useless.

The most important part of a wheel build is the builder. A good wheelbuilder can make a 28spoke rim bombproof under a 300 pound linebacker if s/he works at it. I have a freeride wheel that I got built up in 2000 that is still going strong after years of abuse (including many broken bones, including two vertebrae) and it's a 32h Mavic 321, not the burliest wheel.

My suggestion: talk to people in your town who know their ****, find out who they trust to build their wheels, and get that guy/gal to give you a rim recommendation and build your wheels for you.

Wheels off the internet is a crapshoot, who knows who built 'em? If they guy who built your wheels has to listen to you beek at him every time they go out of true he'll do 'em right the first (or second) time. The dude with no green card whipping them out for a dollar a build in Texico doesn't give a **** if your wheels stay true, he doesn't have to deal with you.

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Old 11-07-08, 11:47 PM
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^ ^ ^ +1. Better yet, learn to build wheels yourself. It's not THAT hard but it works better if you have someone to guide you if you get stuck. Sheldon Brown has a good article on it, I used it when building mine.
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Old 11-08-08, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Thetank View Post
its like all the people who say the DP18s break at the seam and we have yet to see any actual proof of this ever happening.
Have you seen the seams on recent dp18 batches? it's ****ed up. but even those dont break. They arent the most sturdy of rims but they're not going to just collapse on you.

That said, the H+S rims are bombproof. Well, bombproof for anything anyone here will be doing. Like any rim you'll still need to true it from time to time but overall they are nice. I havent ridden a set but I've looked at them before being built up and after. They are of very nice quality.
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Old 11-08-08, 08:20 AM
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Ive mailed with this guy a lot as I was considering buying a pile of them. He was more than helpful and very prompt with replies.
I suggest people contact him.
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Old 11-08-08, 08:33 AM
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Our shops has already built a set of these. I've personally weighed them myself - their weight claim is genuine. Now the really good question is how they managed to obtain 42mm of rim profile for the same weight as a 30mm deep v.

This is immediately obvious when you pick it up. The sidewalls are non-existent as they were never meant to take brakes.
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Old 11-08-08, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by operator View Post
Now the really good question is how they managed to obtain 42mm of rim profile for the same weight as a 30mm deep v.
I believe hplusson's response to that has been that the sidewalls are a bit thinner but also that they used a totally different type of aluminum which is supposed to be lighter but still as strong.
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HplusSon rims are probably just as strong as any other similar rim, but with high flange hubs they will most likely build a super-stiff wheel which will really affect how the ride feels.

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Old 11-08-08, 03:05 PM
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^ Word. If I built them it'd be to some DA 7710's fo sho.
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Old 11-08-08, 05:40 PM
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Hi guys,
To be honest, these rims are strong but to say bomb proof? the key point here wasn't to make something that can be used for stair jumping but rather something deep and light. As a matter of fact, with the tricks people are doing on fixed gear bikes nowadays, i highly doubt anyone can say they have something that is bomb proof.
I have a 680 gram formation face coming out Q1 2009 for the more tricking kids. Also a 30mm version as well. And both these rims are easier to make. Esp the 30mm rim.
It is much easier to make a rim bomb proof than making them light weight.

But as far as road rims go. These are pretty damn strong and as many of you guys that have ridden them know, stiff.

My rims are indeed made of a different type of billet. G609. Not the 6061 you find in most rims. On a good day it has around a 30 percent higher mpa level than 6061.
This of course isn't the only trick to making it lighter. The rest is trade secret.

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Old 11-08-08, 06:47 PM
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yeah. Plus my rev x isn't gonna break...haters
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Originally Posted by tzusing View Post
Hi guys,
To be honest, these rims are strong but to say bomb proof? the key point here wasn't to make something that can be used for stair jumping but rather something deep and light. As a matter of fact, with the tricks people are doing on fixed gear bikes nowadays, i highly doubt anyone can say they have something that is bomb proof.
I have a 680 gram formation face coming out Q1 2009 for the more tricking kids. Also a 30mm version as well. And both these rims are easier to make. Esp the 30mm rim.
It is much easier to make a rim bomb proof than making them light weight.

But as far as road rims go. These are pretty damn strong and as many of you guys that have ridden them know, stiff.

My rims are indeed made of a different type of billet. G609. Not the 6061 you find in most rims. On a good day it has around a 30 percent higher mpa level than 6061.
This of course isn't the only trick to making it lighter. The rest is trade secret.

Whats the 30mm gonna be like?
Same profile but smaller?
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Old 11-09-08, 03:17 AM
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they are actually quite nice, just built one up with a rear profile hub. looks sick, and feels a little stiff, but I am in NYC...
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a build at thebikebiz has a front h+son. dont know if theyre selling the rims. i know its not on their site. just in store that i saw one.
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Originally Posted by deathhare View Post
I believe hplusson's response to that has been that the sidewalls are a bit thinner but also that they used a totally different type of aluminum which is supposed to be lighter but still as strong.
So they say.

Interesting info nonetheless.
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death.
your assumptions on the 30 mm is correct.
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