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Old 12-08-08, 08:41 PM
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Ethical question

so my girl moved into a new apt, down in the basement, ie the laundry room against the wall is a bianchi fixed, it's covered in dust, both tires flat, doesn't look like it's moved in months.. now the question is should this dusty unlocked flat tired bike be liberated and put to use or leave it be to rot in loneliness... i ask because well i'm not a bike thief and also i hate seeing bikes that never get use and just lay around
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As a rule in life just remember, If it aint yours dont take it.
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Ask the landlord if they know anything about it. Ask the neighbors too. If it doesn't belong to any of the neighbors, and if the landlord doesn't know anything about, then I'd say it's fair game.
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you sound like you're justifying stealing a bike. next thing you know, word gets around that you are a bike thief and people talk ***** about you. everyone HATES a thief.
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It doesn't belong to you, whether it gets ridden or not.
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If it's a question....you got no ethics.
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so my girl moved into a new apt, down in the basement, ie the laundry room against the wall is a bianchi fixed, it's covered in dust, both tires flat, doesn't look like it's moved in months.. now the question is should this dusty unlocked flat tired bike be liberated and put to use or leave it be to rot in loneliness... i ask because well i'm not a bike thief and also i hate seeing bikes that never get use and just lay around
Dude, ask the landlord and neighbors about it, if no one knows anything about it (which means it has no owner) set it free.
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Its none of your business if a bike's owner neglects the bike.
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this is the second time i've seen a post like this

if the owner of the bike doesn't snag you, karma will
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Its none of your business if a bike's owner neglects the bike.
and if the bike has no owner? what if the landlord tells him the guy/girl moved out and left it there and he's welcome to it??
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this is the second time i've seen a post like this

if the owner of the bike doesn't snag you, karma will
same reply. and if the bike has no owner? what if the landlord tells him the guy/girl moved out and left it there and he's welcome to it??
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Dude, make sure theres no owner, if your sure theres no owner do what the city does, set it free!
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uh, important fact left out



is it locked up or not?
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uh, important fact left out



is it locked up or not?
from op: "this dusty unlocked flat tired bike"
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check with landlord about previous renter. Try and contact whoever you can about the bike. If nothing happens give it a while and see what happens.

It doesn't really matter what people say to you, if you want it you'll steal it wether or not you rationalize it as so. I think that I would take it if I wanted it but I'm a horrible person.
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What would these people do if the internet wasnt here to tell them not to steal ****?
I guess we know.
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Find out about it and if all evidence points to an abandoned bike, I'd ride it.
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ok sheesh some of you guys crack me up, but no the bike is not locked, and i'm not trying to justify thievery, and no i'm not asking you to tell me what to do, just want the bike to go somewhere where it will get some love if it has no owner, i won't ride have my bikes that i love already, would just fix it and give it to someone who wants one, not like i'm selling it or anything, and yea was planning on checking with other renters and landlord, i mean hey i collect bikes that people put out by their trash and fix them up and give them to people does that mean i'm stealing from them by collecting these bikes? or am i stealing from the landfill.. sheesh not like i'm out cutting u locks or anything was just curious as to what others would do..
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take it and leave $50 in an envelope where it was...problem solved
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i agree with the posts about asking the landlord, asking the neighbors. maybe put up a sign on the bike and by the mailboxes about it with your #

fact of the matter is that it might be abandoned, like said, someone may have moved out and left it. if that's the case, it's about as "stealing" as picking up that quarter on the sidewalk

stealing implies ownership, if the bike is no longer owned, the bike is incapable of being stolen. just because it exists doesn't mean it belongs to someone. just make sure it's not owned.
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Like everyone else said, ask around to see if there's an owner. If there's not, I'd take it and leave a note or something where it was saying that you have it and if they want it back to call you or whatever.
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try putting a u lock and a note on it... Rule of thumb... treat it the way you'd want someone else to treat your bike
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ok sheesh some of you guys crack me up, but no the bike is not locked, and i'm not trying to justify thievery, and no i'm not asking you to tell me what to do, just want the bike to go somewhere where it will get some love if it has no owner, i won't ride have my bikes that i love already, would just fix it and give it to someone who wants one, not like i'm selling it or anything, and yea was planning on checking with other renters and landlord, i mean hey i collect bikes that people put out by their trash and fix them up and give them to people does that mean i'm stealing from them by collecting these bikes? or am i stealing from the landfill.. sheesh not like i'm out cutting u locks or anything was just curious as to what others would do..
Dont let them get to you dude, some of them are just crazy people trying to put words in your mouth and some of them just dont want anyone to get a free bike...unless its them.
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meeek im too slow.

uhh, what a twist!

edit edit- i'll leave this bit in: usually, whatever's left over from the previous renters is fair game to, in this case, yer girly.

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do you know everyone in the building and are you able to speak to everyone single person?

unless you ask every single occupant of your building, it is theft and unethical. you would be making an assumption that the bicycle is abandoned by only talking to a handful of people and not everyone. If every single person (and not just one person per unit - all roommates) denies knowledge about the bike, you should speak to the landlord. Do not take the bicycle without talking to everyone and then the landlord. Even if the landlord doesnt care if you claim the bicycle, you should still leave a note for a decent amount of time. If no one responds, then and only then will it be "ok" to claim the bicycle as your own. But what if someone moved out a few months ago and realized they left their father's old bicycle in the storage area and then calls the landlord?

If it turns out it is someone else's private property albeit a neglected property, you may be breaking terms in your lease and the police might be called as well. You'll be a bike thief.

Or you could just save yourself the trouble and pick up a $30 beater at the thrift store or your local bicycle recyclery or on craigslist. Is this bicycle really worth the trouble of tracking down possibly dozens of people, bothering the landlord as well as everyone single individual that lives in your building, worrying about some wildcard individual coming out of nowhere, and perhaps police involvement? I highly doubt it.

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