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Kilo TT or Scattante Windy City

Old 12-09-08, 09:34 AM
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Kilo TT or Scattante Windy City

Hey Guys,
I can generally be found in road forum but need some opinion on a single speed. Based on BD or Performance, which starter fixie would be better; the Kilo TT or the Windy City? I like the bull horns on the Windy but it appears there is more of a track record (pardon the phrase) with the Kilo. My goal (after learning how to ride a fixie) is to trick it out, customize it with some old equipment I have and simply have fun with it when I'm not on my Tarmac. Or is there another brand that could be suggested? My budget is right around $400.

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the brakes and gear ratio make the windy city seem a little more instantly-rideable, out of the box, however, i'm very partial to the kilo's clean lines and lugged fork. the stock wheelset may be better on the windy city (formula hubs). personally i'd hesitate to buy from performance in general, but that's just me (though i am using a used performance stem).
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I would go with the Kilo over the Windycity (weak) for sure but Performance does make a track/ss frame called the SSR.

It's a much different frame than the windycity that is actually a really good frame for the price ($170), very aggressive geometry, it's light weight with good tubing and well made. The lugged fork is nice looking chrome but very heavy. Decals are removable. It's not your typical Performance product, it's worth taking a look at.

I would have no qualms building up a SSR as a good & solid daily user. Matched with a wound-up fork and you'll have a very good steel whip but that's more than your target price. For under $400, the Kilo TT is your best bet and the wheelset is not bad at all.



http://www.performancebike.com/shop/...7_SSRFrame.pdf

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Old 12-09-08, 10:17 AM
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Thanks, I saw that frame/fork combo but do not have enough other/old equipment to get it all down in a timely manner. However I do have time.... I like the Kilo based on what ZIP0082 mentioned above.
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Originally Posted by mr_macgee View Post
I would go with the Kilo over the Windycity (weak) for sure but Performance does make a track/ss frame called the SSR.

It's a much different frame than the windycity that is actually a really good frame for the price ($170), very aggressive geometry, it's light weight with good tubing and well made. The lugged fork is nice looking chrome but very heavy. Decals are removable. It's not your typical Performance product, it's worth taking a look at.

I would have no qualms building up a SSR as a good & solid daily user. Matched with a wound-up fork and you'll have a very good steel whip but that's more than your target price. For under $400, the Kilo TT is your best bet and the wheelset is not bad at all.



http://www.performancebike.com/shop/...7_SSRFrame.pdf
Brilliant! Looks like the price has risen a bit but not by much. Any idea what the stand over height is on these frames? They don;t show it on their site.

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Old 12-09-08, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Christopher View Post
Brilliant! Looks like the price has risen a bit but not by much. Any idea what the stand over height is on these frames? They don;t show it on their site.

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Not really but it will be better size to size than a Kilo as it does have a slight more sloping toptube and a bit more BB drop. Probably a 31.5" tt height for the 54 frame sz.
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Originally Posted by mr_macgee View Post
Not really but it will be better size to size than a Kilo as it does have a slight more sloping toptube and a bit more BB drop. Probably a 31.5" tt height for the 54 frame sz.
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Old 12-09-08, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by mrbUSA View Post
Hey Guys,
I can generally be found in road forum but need some opinion on a single speed. Based on BD or Performance, which starter fixie would be better; the Kilo TT or the Windy City? I like the bull horns on the Windy but it appears there is more of a track record (pardon the phrase) with the Kilo. My goal (after learning how to ride a fixie) is to trick it out, customize it with some old equipment I have and simply have fun with it when I'm not on my Tarmac. Or is there another brand that could be suggested? My budget is right around $400.

Thanks,
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I'm in the same boat as you, I went for the kilo.
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Originally Posted by mr_macgee View Post
I would go with the Kilo over the Windycity (weak) for sure but Performance does make a track/ss frame called the SSR.

It's a much different frame than the windycity that is actually a really good frame for the price ($170), very aggressive geometry, it's light weight with good tubing and well made. The lugged fork is nice looking chrome but very heavy. Decals are removable. It's not your typical Performance product, it's worth taking a look at.
it looks like they have the frame/fork/seatpost collar for $199. not bad if you are able to get the 20% off single item deal.

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/...TOKEN=14992527
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I personally would get the Kilo. I built up one of the frames, and I love the way it rides. If you're more inclined to get a more track-ish bike, get the Kilo. However, I've heard a LOT about the poor hub quality and cogs stripping them. Something to consider.

But the scattante frame will be a little more relaxed. The components don't look too bad, but the Kilo Pro has better components imo.

I'd say get a kilo pro, and maybe thinking about spending a little more on a wheel/hub replacement.
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Old 12-09-08, 02:34 PM
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I really wish PB would publish the stand over height. I'd hate to order one and need a ladder to get up on it. They don't stock these in their stores, they won't let you return it for the correct size so it's a gamble.

I sent their customer service an email asking what the stand over height is and they don't seem to understand what i'm asking.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Christopher View Post
I really wish PB would publish the stand over height. I'd hate to order one and need a ladder to get up on it. They don't stock these in their stores, they won't let you return it for the correct size so it's a gamble.

I sent their customer service an email asking what the stand over height is and they don't seem to understand what i'm asking.
i had the 50cm and the stand over is approximately 29". It has a road bb drop so its more or less road size stand over height when calculating standover with seat tube measurements. the TT is slightly sloping in the "wrong" direction.

they have 100% satisfaction guarantee? are you sure you're not allowed to return it?

also, FWIW, the welds on this bike are CLEAN.
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Very good point on the 100% Satisfaction guarantee. I'd play that card if my best attempt to guess which size would work failed.

I need a 31" or 31.5" and hopefully someone with that exact size will weigh in this thread.
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It's done. BD Kilo on its way.
If I choose to put on a freewheel, can i go up a tooth and not have to change the chain? The fg side has a 16.
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Yes, I moved up from the stock 48x16 to 48x17 without having to change the chain length. Since then, I've gone down to 46x17 and still the chain fits, leaving the axle in an acceptable position in the track ends.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Christopher View Post
I really wish PB would publish the stand over height. I'd hate to order one and need a ladder to get up on it. They don't stock these in their stores, they won't let you return it for the correct size so it's a gamble.
Standover is one of the most unreliable ways fit a bike. Depending on geometry, i've been able to comfortably stand over bikes up to 55cm. And regardless of brand, I can tell you that a 55 is way to big of a frame for me unless i want to run a 70mm stem. Go by TT length/reach.
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Originally Posted by lukewall View Post
Standover is one of the most unreliable ways fit a bike. Depending on geometry, i've been able to comfortably stand over bikes up to 55cm. And regardless of brand, I can tell you that a 55 is way to big of a frame for me unless i want to run a 70mm stem. Go by TT length/reach.
Listen to this guy. How often are you really standing over your bike anyways? I ride frames that really should be a bit too big for my frame, and I haven't hit the nuts on anything since I was 12 or so.

I know it's too late now, but I would have ordered the Windy City. The geometry is a bit more relaxed and it's a bit more road friendly out of the box. Another perk, assuming you have a PB in your city, is that you have a brick and mortar shop to take it back to if you have problems with it. It's probably a crappy shop, but at least you wouldn't be stuck with emails and UPS if the frame cracked.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Christopher View Post
I really wish PB would publish the stand over height. I'd hate to order one and need a ladder to get up on it. They don't stock these in their stores, they won't let you return it for the correct size so it's a gamble.

I sent their customer service an email asking what the stand over height is and they don't seem to understand what i'm asking.
http://www.performancebike.com/shop/...7_SSRFrame.pdf

If the numbers are accurate, the SSR has some pretty aggressive geometry. 74 head and 75 seat. I wish they came in different colors, but this frameset looks like a pretty good deal.
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I think you made the right choice with the Kilo, aggressive geometry will be a nice change from your road bike, plus it's a blast and i haven't heard anyone having issues with their frames cracking into pieces.
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how do we tell if this is aggressive geometry?
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you tell by the bikes measurements and geometry. Kilo may not have super aggressive geo but it is compared to the windy
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Generally speaking, head & seat tube angles of 74-75 degrees & higher indicate aggressive geometry. At least that's my understanding of it. Looking at the specs though, the SSR does have more BB drop than one might want, so maybe it's not such a good candidate for fixed riding.
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Unless you are going into sizes 57cm+, both the windy city and Kilo have 72* head tube angles.

I can't find the specs of the SSR on the page: http://www.performancebike.com/shop/...tegory_ID=3020
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check the link on post #19
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