Yeah, suede-nylon-suede pretty much = win.

I know dude, that's the joke :) signing off with a phrase you probably never use in your daily life or vocab is cheesy
and.....*interrobang*, instead of just ?!...really!? someone went to college(exclamation mark)

Adios
Gringo

Hahahaha, I had a feeling, but you can never be too sure on these forums. Also, interrobang is just one of my favorite words, and yet I so rarely get a chance to use it.

well, to be honest I had to look it up before i could come up with a witty rebuttal anyways :)

They need a new sign that represents internet sarcasm, lol

sturmey archer straps for life

That's what I was thinking and I liked how the MKS straps got wider towards the buckle. Also I thought they may run a slightly smaller chance of getting stolen since Toshi's are the bling brand name. Maybe they will see MKS logo and just think oh cheap straps. I am probably wrong though.

Well, unless they really know what they're looking for Toshis end up looking pretty ratty after a while, so they may get overlooked.

toshis all the way

Toshis are great but the price is incredibly outrageous! A buddy of mine got a set of doubles on his bike and within a week they were starting to show wear in the same manner as my $10 straps.

they arent for show. let me know which set is still kicking in three years.

I see your point however I still say they're overpriced for what they do.

I have Dimension double straps and they are fine, I don't care. They are cheap and easy to replace and I have never had any problems with them slipping/etc and they are still very white and sturdy even though I ride them in the rain/etc.

I have found that treating the cheap leather straps with my brooks proofide makes them last a lot longer. it makes sense to protect the leather on a brooks saddle why not the straps too.

retail is no doubt hard to swallow, but i have seen singles for 20 and got doubles for 50. those are likely not even the best deals out so keep an ear to the ground. by all means, run what youve got into the ground, but consider toshis as basically a one time purchase the next time you need to replace.

Wachu know bout clipless/brakless

if you're riding brake less, then they do a whole lot... you want something that you're confident is going to bind your feet to the drive train...ive had cheap-o singles get loose on me going town a hill...not fun...

my current straps (MKS singles...the nice NJS ones lolz) have far better clasps on them that hold their position better. They're also built really nice... have not had a problem with them getting loose...

even so, i'm getting toshi doubles as soon as i can...i like to have the peace of mind that the straps won't give way anytime soon...

just get toshi's.

they are almost too secure. I switched to them from cheap nylon straps and ate **** a few times because I couldn't get my foot out of the straps, and they weren't even that tight. the suede like grips your shoes.

also good luck to anybody trying to steal my toshi's. it took me and my brother a solid hour with some needlenose plyers to get em through my pedals (sylvan tracks.)

that its the best!

ill never understand why people skimp on toe straps, particularly when riding brakeless... as the straps essentially your brakes as is! I wouldnt trust my life, or teeth or bones, to some 10 dollar nylon straps.

Double layer laminate straps with strong buckles are the only way to go. MKS (my personal favorite, due to lack of huge logos), Kashimax Toshi, Binda, whoever.

Look in the previous page where I posted my double strap setup. I rode my friend's toshis and then made these and honestly the suede I used holds my feet snug enough to NOT justify buying toshis cause they hold just as well but that's just me.

i just got double straps the other day and I have yet to do this for my GR-9s. It really needs to be done i've been fine so far but sometimes the strap will slip off where it would stay if I had the bolts longer.

saw them...a few of my friends have similar home-brew solutions... but the toshi's have better buckles (in grip and they are secured with 2 pins), and have an extra layer of leather and nylon in the middle... i'm sure they'll outlast those cristophe's...

maybe not worth the 100... but worth investing in IMO

well I'm broke so once i can afford toshis and they're priced reasonably I'll be getting a set.

I'm about to purchase some new pedals/clips/straps, and decided, what the hell, splurge for some toshi's (single's at least). Can anyone recommend where to find singles/doubles the cheapest?
Thanks.

try craigslist...ive seen used ones go for round 50-60... they're going to cost you about the same price everywhere. benscycles.com has them for 95 bucks...that's pretty low...i think i saw them for 110 at a LBS not too long ago

tucking those ends in is a really bad idea...

Alfredo Binda "Extras" after 25+ years:

http://os2.dhs.org/~john/binda.jpg

Man, you're barking up the wrong tree. I usually just get flamed when I tell people about the intended proper use of clips and straps.

You're supposed to be able to adjust them while riding, I say.

You shouldn't be able to pull your foot out easily unless you loosen them, I shout!

Shut up, that's just your opinion, they reply.

Oh well. Too bad, so sad.

take note of this-
the only way to route single straps!

haha, i saw you post that before, but i couldnt throw out a huge number like that because ive never seen toshis that old. the construction is different, but its conceivable that toshis will last like that. when our straps turn forty and if neither of them are already busted, well get back together and swap pictures.

Indeed.
 

Buy quality and it will last. Binda's were the best back when I bought them; Toshis are now.