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Old 02-26-09, 12:31 AM
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building a new setup - post your thoughts

this is another one of those 'this is another one of those i'm building a fixed bike' threads. bear with me, i come here seeking everyone's thoughts and opinions, because i'm rather indecisive myself.

now i've got my taste of riding fixed with a 1982 schwinn world voyager that i had built up myself. it is nice and i enjoy it - it's very fun. i now live in san francisco and i find myself riding a lot. i'm looking to either a) purchase a great complete setup, or b) purchase a nice frame and build up from there. i'm leaning towards the latter.

things to consider:
prince range of ~$1000 usd
i will never ride in a velodrome
will sometimes lock up outside in sf
anticipating crashes

i first was interested in the cannondale capo '09 because of it being aluminum, and very light. however, it had a horrible component set. from that came the bianchi pista concept, and i was told that aluminum is generally something i'd want to stay away from if i ever think i'll crash it. i think i'll crash it - let's be honest here. so then i was shown the raleigh rush hour '09. not too turned on by this, i don't know why. tried out a custom build from waterford at a local shop, and it was great, but the toe overlap killed the deal. i have also been recommended the track frames by soma and pake. other shops recommend the iro but i have heard that its construction and quality is relatively poor.

i was browsing the internet and i came across the felt gridloc frame, which looks very nice. aesthetics are also something i'm slightly considering, but this is aluminum.

could anyone list their general opinion or knowledge on what i should do? is aluminum that much more susceptible to dents and cracks rather than steel, to where it shouldn't be chosen for riding every day on the road? i'm particularly interested in a frame to build up from the ground, but perhaps a complete solution. thoughts?

thanks in advance everyone,
j

(p.s. feel free to correct me for any noob statements here! )
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Old 02-26-09, 12:43 AM
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The only thing I can offer is to get something that doesn't look too flashy and that you'd trust to leave unattended if it's going to be locked up. Flat black Alien frame and a few stickers?
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Old 02-26-09, 12:59 AM
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I haven't ridden on too many fixed gears (mostly just my own), but I liked the IRO mark V frame. It's kind-of track-geometry, but a little more relaxed than some of the other track bikes out there.
A big issue (at least for me) as far as leaving it locked up is conspicuousness: Aluminum bikes (like the leaders or felts) tend to look nicer than a similarly priced steel frame (like the bareknuckle or IRO).
Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
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Old 02-26-09, 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by diddybop View Post
tried out a custom build from waterford at a local shop, and it was great, but the toe overlap killed the deal.
I wouldn't let that kill the deal for you - you'll get used to it really quick unless you like to ride at 2mph.

i have also been recommended the track frames by soma and pake.
Both are fine frames - the Pake is basically a heavier version of the Soma Rush with straight-gauge instead of nicer butted tubing. Soma Rush is a very nice frame and pretty light for steel.

other shops recommend the iro but i have heard that its construction and quality is relatively poor.
IROs are also very nice frames - I definitely wouldn't say they are poor quality, especially if you're just riding on the street and locking it up outside.

could anyone list their general opinion or knowledge on what i should do? is aluminum that much more susceptible to dents and cracks rather than steel, to where it shouldn't be chosen for riding every day on the road?
Aluminum is less durable, but tons of people ride aluminum frames on the street every day and they don't all break, so unless you're doing crazy riding you'd probably be OK with an aluminum frame.
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Old 02-26-09, 01:29 AM
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That was one of the most reasonable responses I have ever seen on this message board... thank you....
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Old 02-26-09, 02:39 AM
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hey everyone, thanks for the input.

@JulianBH:
it's not just the toe overlap, it just seemed that it felt a little too cramped overall, but i liked how nice and smooth the ride was. (on the waterford)

as of now, if i choose steel, i'm leaning more towards soma's rush frame. for aluminum, the felt gridloc is also yelling at me. does anyone have any experience with this frame, care to share?

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Old 02-26-09, 09:55 AM
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Unmarked kilo tt bikeisland.com frame.
$199 shipped.
Most bang for the buck.
Light. Steel. Lugged fork.
You won't cry when you crash it.
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Old 02-26-09, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by xsnakobx View Post
I haven't ridden on too many fixed gears (mostly just my own), but I liked the IRO mark V frame. It's kind-of track-geometry, but a little more relaxed than some of the other track bikes out there.
I've ridden a few fixed gears, mostly conversions or off the peg bikes in the 400-600 range) and I ended up going with the Mark V. I bought the complete(decent component spec and a pretty good wheelset for the price) and I couldn't be happier. Looks good, not too heavy for a steel bike, survived flawlessly through the crashes i've been in and a really fun geometry. I have nothing but good things to say about it, other than the ugly as sin stock stem which i replaced with a chrome one I had lying around, which also helped the fit of the bike over because I didn't know what size stem i'd need when i ordered it.
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Old 02-26-09, 11:03 AM
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Yeah get one of the "generic" Merciers offa ebay. Or if you can afford one.. Volume Cutter or the FBM.
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Old 02-26-09, 11:25 AM
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For a bike I'm going to lock up, crash, and just bang around town on, I wouldn't spend $1000.

I also wouldn't worry too much about weight if you are going to be riding this thing around with a bag and a lock in street clothes.

I ended up getting a Kilo and it got the job done, although in the end I decided I liked a road bike more than a track bike anyway. YMMV.
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Old 02-26-09, 11:43 AM
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If you're looking for a bike for the street for that price, I'd build the soma rush or the IRO angus.

IRO's aren't poor quality at all. Actually, I think that other than the bike islands kilo tt, they are the best bang for your buck out there.

The geometry is similar for the two, but the IRO has a higher BB.

I'd go with the IRO (but I'm partial since I have one). Oh, and there is NO toe overlap with med. mks cages on the 56cm version of the IRO Angus, but it's still light and agile enough to feel kind of like a track bike without the paroblems associated with using a track bike for street use (mainly toe overlap).

Just my .02
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Old 02-26-09, 12:40 PM
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Kilo TT from bikesdirect, add a brake, save $.
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Old 02-26-09, 04:25 PM
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Again, thanks everyone, I'm appreciating the thoughts and opinions.

@seedubs1, I was considering the soma rush a lot, it's nice and the people around here at the shops have spoken highly of it. i was also thinking about if i went with an iro, to get it from mission bikes.

between the two framesets, what are the differences, dis/advantages? any thoughts on mission bikes?
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Old 02-26-09, 04:37 PM
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you have a geared bike in San Francisco and now you want a single speed with a fixed drive? keep your geared bike.
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Old 02-26-09, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeEasy View Post
you have a geared bike in San Francisco and now you want a single speed with a fixed drive? keep your geared bike.
i commute a lot and ride most of the flatter parts of the where i'm located, i am never hitting hills. i am not riding geared consistently, i switch on and off between it and my fixed (the converted schwinn). i'm looking for a more solid build. again, because i think fixed is fun - not that it has an advantage for the city's terrain.
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Old 02-26-09, 04:56 PM
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the kilo is plenty nice to ride around on. why do you want such high quality when you're just going to run around town on it?

the aluminum vs. steel debate is really a personal deal.
aluminum doesn't rust, but it's done the second it gets a crease or bad impact. why spend 1000 on an aluminum bike when you can buy a steel bike three times over for that?

don't think that an unmarked frame is going to ward off thieves. highly populated areas and good u-locks and daylight wards off thieves... that's about it. also, cheap looking components will be less attractive than a cheap looking frame.

the IRO is a good bike, so is the Kilo TT, and so is the Soma. KHS flite 100 is another one. i'd put those all around the same area of "just track enough to be track" as well as "fast as hell, light enough, and durable." the kilo is probably the heaviest of those, with the soma being the fastest.

if you want a complete, have you looked at MASI?

for complete i'd say add these to your list:
Masi Speciale Fixed (in shamrock green, so pretty)
Felt Curbside or Dispatch (aluminum but great for the street because of a carbon fork that is painted so it won't scream steal me unless the thief knows what they're looking at)
Surly Steamroller (maybe not the best value but a really freaking nice street bike)
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Old 02-26-09, 05:09 PM
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MASI - Italian and pretty.
Steamroller - unbreakable.
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Old 02-26-09, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by cc700 View Post
the kilo is plenty nice to ride around on. why do you want such high quality when you're just going to run around town on it?
i think quality in anything is good to have. especially something that will be used to often. i'm not saying i want *such* high quality, but, a quality, nice bike. i suppose it's subjective to the user.

anyhow, everyone says these bikes are all great! i don't know if that further complicates the decision or helps it out.

soma rush
masi speciale fixed
surly steamroller (which i know nothing about...)

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Surly Steamroller (maybe not the best value but a really freaking nice street bike)
not the best value as in you overpay for what you get?
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MASI - Italian and pretty.

"Taiwanese and Pretty"

FTFY - Masi's now a subsidiary of HARO bicycles.
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Yes... ITALIAN look, but still pretty.
Steamrollers - get the frame and dress it up, the complete components aren't that great.
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and haro knows what the **** they're doing. the masi's are really, really nice.

Originally Posted by diddybop View Post

not the best value as in you overpay for what you get?
in that you pay 800 for the component spec seen on 600 dollar bikes.

the frame is probably worth the difference though, it's a serious frame.
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