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jtarver 03-05-09 10:39 PM


Originally Posted by jsource (Post 8477690)
I'm in Austin also. I command the lane if the lane isn't wide enough for both a car and myself to be in the same lane. The law says that a biker may acquire the lane if there is not enough space.

For example, on the drag, once you pass UT going north, I usually command the entire lane. However, Further down Guadalupe after 38th, I'll share the lane.

Downtown I always claim the right lane, sometimes far left in one way traffic. I've noticed it's safer. Most people downtown have been respectful, however some students get pissed off on other roadways, usually at odd hours.

That bike lane in front of campus is probably the most dangerous place to ride in town, always full of buses and disappearing as it does. Not to mention the highly distracted(or self absorbed) drivers and peds around UT.

PedallingATX 03-05-09 11:51 PM

Yeah I live in South Austin and go to St. Edward's. This happened at about S. 1st and Ben White. S. 1st. is a really hard road to ride on. I think I will definitely start claiming the lane on that one b/c there is definitely not enough room for a car to pass me in my lane. Good advice.

I really should stop flipping people off, I know, but I am relatively new to biking and I am not used to people honking and yelling at me all the time. Hopefully I will learn the zen art of ignoring the haters.

jtarver 03-06-09 12:32 AM

Zen Art=Headphones

cblaster 03-06-09 01:11 AM

Here at Rutgers U., I almost always take the lane for myself unless its a clear road. Downtown the lanes are too small and I can easily keep up with the cars, and on the main campus both sides of the roads are filled with parked cars, and I'd rather take the lane and ride quickly than risk getting doored by a freshman juggling a coffee and their iPhone while getting out of their car into traffic.

adriano 03-06-09 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by jtarver (Post 8478154)
Zen Art=Headphones

safe.

kyselad 03-06-09 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by PedallingATX (Post 8475972)
That's interesting what one of you said about "claiming your lane" Do you really find that this is a better way to ride than trying to be courteous and staying as close to the shoulder as possible? Should I just make people get in the left lane to pass me instead of letting them think that they can pass me while in the same lane as me? Cause I really am getting sick of having cars constantly whizz by so close to me. But I feel like I would get even more people flipping me off and such if I was in the middle of the lane. Also, I am pretty sure that in TX there is a rule that you have to be within 2 feet of the curb...

There's a "movement" of sorts that revolves the idea of "vehicular cycling." People vary in how aggressively and consistently they apply the idea, but basically, you're a vehicle, so you should ride accordingly. Hugging the curb puts you in danger, and your safety trumps the law even if there's some "ride within X feet of the curb" ordinance. By claiming a lane, you assert your place on the road and encourage drivers to treat you as a vehicle instead of a slalom gate. Passing on the left (like a car) and never on the right keeps you visible and saves you from getting cutoff/crushed -- even a well-intentioned driver won't expect you on the right and may not see you there.

As others mentioned, you'll get honked and cursed at by a few knuckleheads. But frankly, that happens even when you're hugging the curb. And it's surprising how many drivers really do treat you respectfully when your riding demands it from them.

zacked 03-06-09 11:53 AM

One thing I'd add to riding vehicularly: don't split lanes if you've got nowhere to go. I'll split lanes if it's a light with no cross traffic where I can get ahead, but passing to the front of a column of traffic when you're going to wait at the light anyway just slows everybody down and is going to piss them all right off. It's a have your cake and eat it to kind of situation.

And I'm not talking about NYC avenues where the stopped traffic goes for miles, I mean normal intersections where there's a couple cars at a light.

kyselad 03-06-09 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by zacked (Post 8480239)
One thing I'd add to riding vehicularly: don't split lanes if you've got nowhere to go. I'll split lanes if it's a light with no cross traffic where I can get ahead, but passing to the front of a column of traffic when you're going to wait at the light anyway just slows everybody down and is going to piss them all right off. It's a have your cake and eat it to kind of situation.

And I'm not talking about NYC avenues where the stopped traffic goes for miles, I mean normal intersections where there's a couple cars at a light.

This is a good point and something that ticks me off as a cyclist. Just as drivers would (and should) be pissed if another car went around them just to jockey for a spot at a light, they're bound not to appreciate this sort of maneuver from a cyclist. I'm not at all a purist about this, since I think it's fine to split lanes in many circumstances (as zacked mentions), but definitely avoid anything that's basically just cutting in line.

Chicagoan 03-06-09 12:46 PM

I usually take the lane, especially when people are trying to pass me too closely.

Today I was riding east on North avenue in Chicago taking the lane. I did a trackstand at a stoplight at like Kedzie. So a delivery truck pulls into the left lane. The light turned green, and i took off. 50 or so yards later the truck caaught up and slowly passed me, running paralel. So this Mexican chick with like 6 kids packed into a beige Malibu with a red door and no muffler. Roars up behind the truck and pulls up behind me trying to pass, she didn't see me at first and almost hit me.

I flipped her off, an older woman in the passenger seat started doing her little catholic rosary thing. The driver yells get on the sidewalk *****!

I caught up with them at the next light. I flew past her knocking on her doors and windows as i passed. They all started yelling at me in spanish, and followed me for like three blocks "Stupid Gringo!!!" I'm just like wtf! it was funnny though.

pazzmore 03-06-09 04:11 PM

I'm trying to chill lately and not call people filthy filthy insults from my bike after a dude who was sitting in (a divided by bricks from the street) bike lane tried to kill me and my girlfriend for me rolling past his open window and telling him, "You're in the bike lane dude." He stomped on his gas pedal and drove fully out of control after us. We got over onto a side street and saw that he stopped waiting for us. Had to hightail it out of there. Wonder what he would have done if I had called him something.
So if this psycho wants to kill two people, how am I gonna stop him? I can't fight a speeding truck. In Tucson you can get away with it most of the time, but in Oakland, you better get ready to knuckle up if you wanna flip off somebody.

stephenhatesyou 03-06-09 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by blankgen (Post 8476001)
Like flipping off off duty cops and reading Kerouac!

i was passing out while you were passing out the rules. 1, 2, 3, 4, who's punk, what's the score?

i have too many cop stories. both positive & negative. mostly negative.

i kind of hate when cops are nice to me; the 15 year old crust punk side of me still wants to be able to blindly loathe them as a whole, and being treated well is a definite obstacle to this.

Yaktizzle417 03-07-09 02:02 AM

Well I just had my first bad encounter with cops.

Doing trackstands in the square where the "no bikes/skateboarding/etc" law is very loosely enforced and usually only enforced when its packed. It wasn't packed at all, and there were a few people watching me. I was sitting in a confined area working on trackstands and etc, and the cop straight up told me no bikes in the square. So I pedal with one foot to my bag to ride away (going the same speed as walking, if not slower) and he's like that means GET OFF THE BIKE with the awesome cop attitude. So I let it go, I mean I technically was breaking the "law." But then I come back when its packed to the absolute brim and theres a group of people fencing, a dude spitting fire, 2 dudes juggling darts and torches and some other ****. So apparently trackstands are more dangerous than tossing around sharpened axes, swordfighting, or torches.

Sweet.

Duellist 03-07-09 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by Zum1 (Post 8476999)
I've lived and been a rider in Boston, Chicago, Atlanta, and Philly... I have never had a cop even look twice at me... and ive run reds and stop signs righ in front of em...

Exactly. I probably break a dozen traffic laws a day, and the cops just wave and smile.

NewYorkMantle 03-07-09 09:04 AM

i was riding across 42nd street and a cop car rolled up next to me. we were neck and neck for a few seconds until the cop looked at his speedometer, then looked at me and emotionlessly said "you're going 20 miles per hour..." i said "uuh, word" and he just drove off. - of all my encounters with the police, that was probably the most random and, in retrospect, funniest.

Meepers 03-07-09 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by stephenhatesyou (Post 8483713)
i was passing out while you were passing out the rules. 1, 2, 3, 4, who's punk, what's the score?

we're all alone, you're all alone, we're all alone, your all alone......

helloamerican 03-07-09 10:27 AM

I'm not sure if its every state, but most states have legislation for bikes to take the lane if no bike lane is available or if it is obstructed/unridable. A lot of cops will try to contradict this so i've heard of people printing out the law and keeping it in their bags.

LesMcLuffAlot 03-07-09 10:43 AM

Worlds largest organized gang. The cops, not fixie hipsters.

jtarver 03-07-09 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by helloamerican (Post 8485306)
I'm not sure if its every state, but most states have legislation for bikes to take the lane if no bike lane is available or if it is obstructed/unridable. A lot of cops will try to contradict this so i've heard of people printing out the law and keeping it in their bags.

Never thought of that, good idea. Maybe I'll print a bunch and pass them out to all the folks that honk at me. I must admit, some of my record commute times have been based on trying to chase some crazy driver down in hopes of catching them at a light and getting some payback...

ADSR 03-07-09 11:24 AM

In regards to splitting lanes, I do so, but only if I'm trying to get over to the left turn lane. I feel like if I'm at the line when the light turns green I'll be accelerating with the cars, rather than hit the intersection at 15 or 20 miles per hour, and trying to dodge traffic while staying in between lanes or trying to keep up with traffic. Better to get out of their way as soon as possible. Granted, I'm not in any sort of intense urban environment, but I feel like this is the safest way to do things.

adriano 03-07-09 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by helloamerican (Post 8485306)
I'm not sure if its every state, but most states have legislation for bikes to take the lane if no bike lane is available or if it is obstructed/unridable. A lot of cops will try to contradict this so i've heard of people printing out the law and keeping it in their bags.

does anyone know what the case is for pennsylvania?

peabodypride 03-07-09 10:19 PM


Originally Posted by adriano (Post 8488250)
does anyone know what the case is for pennsylvania?

as far left as you need to be, brah.

helloamerican 03-08-09 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by jtarver (Post 8485485)
Never thought of that, good idea. Maybe I'll print a bunch and pass them out to all the folks that honk at me. I must admit, some of my record commute times have been based on trying to chase some crazy driver down in hopes of catching them at a light and getting some payback...

yeah, my 'you mother f-er' sprints are usually way faster than my normal sprints.


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