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Cutting two lousy cable guides.

Old 04-03-09, 08:10 AM
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Cutting two lousy cable guides.

I have searched and read them all and they were all to overthought and to much work involved. C'mon it can't be that hard. I would say just a hack saw, a little sanding and your done. I don't care about the job being perfect, chop shop is fine with me.
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Old 04-03-09, 08:14 AM
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Old 04-03-09, 08:27 AM
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who are you arguing with?
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Old 04-03-09, 08:32 AM
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Old 04-03-09, 08:34 AM
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That's good. Do a purely aesthetic modification like cutting cable guides off, and then do a really ****ty job of it so that your frame looks like crap. Makes perfect sense.
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Old 04-03-09, 08:39 AM
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or he can do a good job by putting his frame into a sturdy stand, grinding it off down to about 2mm and using a file to remove the remaining brass.
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Old 04-03-09, 09:32 AM
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why not have a frame that does not require you to mangle it?

does your bike frame have no soul?

or is it one bike frame trapped in another bike frame's frame and you are just being a helpful surgeon?

in that case have you and your bike frame undergone psychological therapy to prepare for what comes next?
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Old 04-03-09, 10:54 PM
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It's not hard at all.
I used a dremel with a cutting disc, attacked the meaty part at two different angles, then used the edge of the disc and carefully grinded the rest down until it was all flush.
Not a big deal.

On my bike it was on the underside of the tube, used some touch up paint, done.

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Old 04-03-09, 11:13 PM
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This is a stupid idea. You're doing it to improve the looks of your frame (I guess), and yet you plan on doing a ****ty looking job. Even if you do a great job, people who actually know about bikes will always look at your frame and then assume you're an idiot. I say this as someone who has dremelled up a frame.
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Old 04-03-09, 11:18 PM
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Yes, you can do a perfectly fine job.
Who cares what other people think? Keep living your life trying to please others, lol.
He didn't ask peoples opinions on whether to do it. He asked how to do it.
Gotta love people that want to dictate what a person can and cannot do with their own property.
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Old 04-03-09, 11:27 PM
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i've never understood people who treat bicycles like limited edition hologram collectors items.

these aren't pokemon cards guys... unless he's talking about a hand made 1970s colnago, there's no reason he shouldn't modify his bike to his specs.
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Old 04-04-09, 08:53 AM
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I kind of regret removing parts off a frame earlier in my cycling endeavors but... that's the past and
I think did a great job because I took my time and after removing the cable guides on the top tube I used some bondo to fill the areas and sanded it until perfect. Same with fender eyelets on the fork and frame, took my time, hacked off the big parts and then used a file.

I don't look for low quality frames anymore for myself so I don't have a need for hacking anything off. I might convert a geared bike to flip it but it's not worth the effort to remove braze ons to sell it for $20 more.
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Old 04-04-09, 09:19 AM
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GRINDER!!!! a big one.
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Old 04-04-09, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by areacode312 View Post
Yes, you can do a perfectly fine job.
Who cares what other people think? Keep living your life trying to please others, lol.
He didn't ask peoples opinions on whether to do it. He asked how to do it.
Gotta love people that want to dictate what a person can and cannot do with their own property.
If you go back and read the OP, he didn't actually ask how to do it, he said that other people devote too much thought to how to do it well. Its probably just a troll but it's a stupid thing to say either way. As for the issue of pleasing others, 90% of the people who want to cut off braze ons are fixy noobs who don't know any better and who will come to *personally* regret it later when they learn more about bikes. You just don't see too many experienced cyclists worrying about stuff like that. If someone genuinely knows where theyre at and what they want and decides to chop a bike, cool. But I don't think you can say that for the majority of fgg reading, brazeon cutting, krylon rattling, lockring stripping, colour mis-matching newjacks. The daily parade of embarassment on fgg is testament to that.
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Old 04-04-09, 12:15 PM
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I'll admit to having to Google "FGG" to understand what you meant.
I see your point but....
You're doing a lot of assuming and lumping a lot of people into a group, you know that's questionable at the very least.
I'll agree that someone whose only motivation is looks to gain acceptance from a peer group is totally fake. But you can't tell that by looking at a bike what the motivation was and I would say the majority are people that want a nice looking bike that is pleasing to them and some will get so loud because they don't give a rat's ass what people think- I wouldn't call them "inexperienced cyclists" whatever that means. I'd call them individuals.
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I'll admit to having to Google "FGG" to understand what you meant.
ive wanted to get to fixed gear gallery and searched for fgg, and... haha.
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Originally Posted by areacode312 View Post
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I'll admit to having to Google "FGG" to understand what you meant.
I see your point but....
You're doing a lot of assuming and lumping a lot of people into a group, you know that's questionable at the very least.
I'll agree that someone whose only motivation is looks to gain acceptance from a peer group is totally fake. But you can't tell that by looking at a bike what the motivation was and I would say the majority are people that want a nice looking bike that is pleasing to them and some will get so loud because they don't give a rat's ass what people think- I wouldn't call them "inexperienced cyclists" whatever that means. I'd call them individuals.

People that know bikes know cheap 70's boom bike frames from good quality stuff. You don't grind off braze-ons from a Bianchi Superleggera or a Colnago Master. Raleigh Gran Prix, knock yourself out. It's better to not grind on a frame but sell it and buy something that doesn't require grinding to achieve that individualism like so many others.
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Old 04-04-09, 07:25 PM
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individualism like so many others.
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Old 04-04-09, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bbattle View Post
You don't grind off braze-ons from a Bianchi Superleggera or a Colnago Master.
Oh really. Where is that written? And are we even talking about those bikes?
Here's another one trying to dictate what someone can and cannot do with their own property.
Watch out it's the "no grinding braze on police"!


It's better to not grind on a frame but sell it and buy something that doesn't require grinding to achieve that individualism like so many others.
Sorry, but that's quite possibly the stupidest advice I've ever heard.
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How about a 3# hammer, and a heavy chisel. It will be gone in no time.

Hey - it's another alternative!
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Originally Posted by areacode312 View Post
Oh really. Where is that written? And are we even talking about those bikes?
Here's another one trying to dictate what someone can and cannot do with their own property.
Watch out it's the "no grinding braze on police"!
I think you're blowing this out of proportion. No one is literally dictating or policing here. It's merely advice for those who seek it. You're right that in a democracy you can't legislate against actions that don't harm others---people are entirely free to do whatever stupid thing they want to their own property. But you can't legislate against criticism of stupidity either.

Furthermore, I think it's simply un-neighbourly not to let someone know when a particular course of action that may seem attractive is in fact a bad idea that they will come to regret---particularly in a place like an online forum that is based around the giving and receiving of advice.
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If you dremeled your frame and came to regret it, then that's on you.
I grinded my frame perfectly fine- if you're good around a dremel this should always be the case unless you inexplicably F up somehow.

You've already crossed your own "neighborly" line when you call someone stupid for even thinking of cutting two tiny little metal bits off their frame.
Especially since the OP isn't seeking personal opinions, it's very disrespectful.
I've seen this topic discussed on here before- and the No Cutting Braze-Ons Police have perpetuated for too long.

"Merely advice for those who seek it" you say?
But your first response in this thread looks like this:
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This is a stupid idea. You're doing it to improve the looks of your frame (I guess), and yet you plan on doing a ****ty looking job.
And then you say:
Originally Posted by mander View Post
No one is literally dictating or policing here.
You're quite the piece of work, I must say.

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Old 04-05-09, 05:11 AM
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Again, 312, it is not dictatorial to call a spade a spade. The stupidity of OP's idea isn't simply that he wants to dremel a frame. It consists in the contradiction of wanting to improve a frame's aesthetics and at the same time not caring if it looks bad in the end. If you say something that dumb on an online forum, someone is going to call you on it.

It's fine if you did a good job on your frame and you're still happy with it. You have little in common with op and you're not making what you did any more legitimate by defending his (likely troll) post---nor am I trying to attack you by criticising him and the practice of brazeon cutting. As I said before, I don't believe that frame chopping is inherently a bad idea; just that most of the real world chop jobs out there happen to have been a bad idea.
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You people just got trolled. Good job
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