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diaper eater 08-26-09 10:24 PM
i still cant believe how cheap and crappy the dropouts look

ADSR 08-26-09 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by PedallingATX (Post 9563054)
Well it's the fact that none of this is very original. When they came out w/ the Langster they just stuck track ends on a type of frame which they know how to make very well (aluminum w/ CF fork very similar to Allez) and then added some extremely UNcool decals in an attempt to make it look cool. Then, when they realize that people don't like this look, they copy the same bike that has been built by like 20 other companies. I mean, seriously, there is nothing that makes that steel langster stand out at all. It is completely unoriginal. I'm not saying it's ugly, b/c it's not, but you would think that a company as large as Specialized could do some R&D and come up w/ something of their own.

Also, there is no way that bike is NJS certified w/ that geometry.

Disclaimer: I generally don't like specialized bikes at all. Recently, however, I acquired a 1991 Specialized Sirrus road bike (for free), and I have to admit that it's a good bike. It has held up very well for the past 20 years, and I have fitted it w/ a rear rack and it makes a great commuter. Still don't think I would every buy one, though.
Certainly not very original, but then again not much is. I guess I'm just frustrated at what seems like grasping at excuses to hate on a company.

I'm putting way too much energy into this. One more good-looking bike for a decent price should make me happy. Deep breaths... there we go, much better.

bonechilling 08-27-09 12:15 AM
I can't believe that there are still morons out there who believe this thing will magically be "NJS". Where did this bull**** first originate?

Xgecko 08-27-09 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by frymaster (Post 9564314)
njs stamping is little more than a fashion tag... and one people have to get on their hands a knees to read with a magnifying glass, at that.

This needed to be quoted

Abe Froman 08-27-09 11:02 AM
Not NJS - Confirmed
 
This is "from the horses mouth"...

"The Langster Steel frame has not been NJS approved. We are looking into it. It does pass the CEN standard tests."

Settled.

Nice frame. People will hate it just because it's Specialized. Now they can also hate it because it is not NJS. Damned if they do, damned if they don't...

gelpicorp 08-27-09 02:56 PM
hey reynolds 520 tig welded frame! who else do i know that offers reynolds 520 tig welded frames with snazzy cable stops (imo, i love them and run brakes)?

oh yeah, a kilo. i'll take a kilo please and spend the other 300 dollars on beer and pizza.

it is a nice looking bike though. where's the lugs? why not get a tiawanesse frame with lugs for godssakes.

Hirohsima 08-27-09 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by PedallingATX (Post 9563054)
Well it's the fact that none of this is very original.
When you are talking about creating a retro bike, exactly how do you expect to be original? The whole point of retro is that you are not being original.

Quote:
Originally Posted by PedallingATX (Post 9563054)
When they came out w/ the Langster they just stuck track ends on a type of frame which they know how to make very well (aluminum w/ CF fork very similar to Allez) and then added some extremely UNcool decals in an attempt to make it look cool.
See? Now that I agree with. I own one of those ugly Langsters, now powedercoated white.

Quote:
Originally Posted by PedallingATX (Post 9563054)
Also, there is no way that bike is NJS certified w/ that geometry.
When you start racing Keirin, then worry about the stamp. I am clueless about that crud other than to assume that 99.9% of the people that talk about NJS are not actually racing Keirin .

Quote:
Originally Posted by PedallingATX (Post 9563054)
1991 Specialized Sirrus road bike (for free), and I have to admit that it's a good bike.
I had one of those. Glad you like it. I always thought it was flexy and slow-steering.

PedallingATX 08-27-09 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Hirohsima (Post 9568720)
When you are talking about creating a retro bike, exactly how do you expect to be original? The whole point of retro is that you are not being original.


See? Now that I agree with. I own one of those ugly Langsters, now powedercoated white.


When you start racing Keirin, then worry about the stamp. I am clueless about that crud other than to assume that 99.9% of the people that talk about NJS are not actually racing Keirin .


I had one of those. Glad you like it. I always thought it was flexy and slow-steering.
I don't think that NJS actually matters at all, but I would just liek to point out that this bike will definitely NOT be NJS certified to those people who are saying that it is.

The Sirrus is definitely not quick feeling compared to my other road bikes, but it makes a GREAT commuter due to the front and rear rack mounts. Considering that I got it for free, I am really happy with it. And...it's fast enough for what I'm using it for.

LupinIII 08-27-09 04:43 PM
I think the njs stamp was useful for denoting a decent quality used frame. the markup nowadays is ridiculous and is now a fashion tag.

if you can get an njs frame for what they should be selling for (~$500 imo for an undented one) then it's a great ride. I was going to get a leader 722, but I won my njs frameset on ebay (didn't expect to since people usually bid the **** out of them). for the same price as the leader with a fork in blue, i got kaisei tubing, no dents (some paint chipping), hatta headset and s75 bb, and fillet brazing. it's hard to argue that they're good bikes.

porkyramirez 08-27-09 06:56 PM
From wikipedia:

"A common misconception regarding NJS is that it is a mark of quality, when in fact it is simply a mark of standardisation."

I don't care or know anything about NJS anyway. I liked the pre-city-themed Langsters because they had eyelets for racks. I'm guessing eyelets are not NJS.

bonechilling 08-27-09 09:36 PM
Also, I can't believe that morons are still arguing about "NJS" in 2009.

LupinIII 08-27-09 09:55 PM
well, do a degree it could show quality, as vivalo lost theirs when they had forks fail.

and njs stamped frames are generally made of a high quality steel. that isn't something that many would argue with.

so, an njs stamped bike will probably be a pretty good quality bike. that said, a non stamped 3rensho would be miles nicer than a stamped langster.

njs stamped frames are nice, but they just sell for an inordinately high price. i got mine for 360 plus shipping though so it's all good (what they probably should cost)

Abe Froman 09-01-09 08:20 PM
Price tag on this frame says $400 even.
http://twitpic.com/g519f/full

Deshi 09-01-09 08:35 PM
I probably should have read this before posting to see how many people were dogging this bike.

I just got my frameset and love it. It did not come with the flat crown fork though. Kinda erked about that but oh well.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w...3/100_1826.jpg

LupinIII 09-02-09 05:20 AM
just gonna ask, with reynolds 520 and roadish track geo, why not just get a kilo? the only difference i can spot offhand is the chromed frame and fork. geo is looking somewhat similar.

just wondering

gelpicorp 09-02-09 06:29 AM
deshi, the hell with us haters. i'm just mad i can't afford it! ;) jealousy is a big ingrediant in hater-ade, lol.

unforch for me, best i can afford it a kilo.

i really like it. my guess is everyone hates specialized b/c they are "the man", and the man keeps everyone down? well that and the city langsters are fugly. i really like the way this one looks, chrome fork and threaded fork, i'd buy this one or a bianchi in a heartbeat if i could afford what the lbs are asking.

nice build!

kergin 09-02-09 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by diaper eater (Post 9564407)
i still cant believe how cheap and crappy the dropouts look
Nobody is mentioning this. The Capo has the same bull****, and they get torn up pretty bad.

Deshi 09-02-09 11:22 AM
Well, I picked this because I payed less than a Kilo would have cost me. I work in a shop that sells specialized and was able to score it on EP. I will admit the rest of the parts were not real cheap but it is a very nice bike none the less. I am very happy with it.


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