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Track drops on the street ... worst ever?

Old 06-03-09, 06:54 AM
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flat bullhorns have 4 hand positions, not 3 - tops, curves, flats, and the rise-ends for climbing/sprinting.
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Originally Posted by cyrano138 View Post
Sorry. You should understand, though, that when someone expresses distaste for something, especially when that distaste is based on someone's personal sense of aesthetics, it doesn't necessarily mean that person thinks others should feel the same way.

I hate the way risers look. I think it makes a nice, grownup road/track bike look like an overgrown bmx bike. What that means for you and your bike, however, should be more or less unimportant. Don't be so goddamned sensitive.
Im pretty secure about my choice of handlebars. Heh.

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Old 06-03-09, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by mihlbach View Post
...However, having that many spacers and a flipped down stem (as the bike in the OP) defeats the purpose of the spacers (and looks very amateurish).
This way people know I am a hipster when they see me rolling deep with my stack of carbon spacers.
You would hate to see my mtb, it has spacers ON TOP of the stem.

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Also tell the hipster that owns this bike below that he needs no spacers and instead should get a stem with the rise and length to place the bars in the same spot as without having them.




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Old 06-03-09, 09:03 AM
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I ride drops on the street & mostly make due with 2 hand positions; riding the tops & on the imaginary hoods when I need to pull up. I get in the drops on a hard headwind or when I'm really cranking it. Helps not to have your stem too low.
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Old 06-03-09, 09:33 AM
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Can someone who knows (for real) explain how drops let you deliver more power? When I stand and lean over the front I feel like I sense it, like I'm more elongated, but the frame I had was small by 2-3cm so I might have been all messed up somehow.
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Old 06-03-09, 09:44 AM
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Do drops even give you more power than a bullhorn setup? I get more power from two handfuls of horn then I do from my road or track drops. My understanding is that drops are used in mass start events where forward facing bars are not allowed. Where aero and power is concerned and mass start is not a factor I think horns and trial bars are the best, can anyone prove this wrong?
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I have a good use for risers. It helps sell conversions to newbies.

They will figure it all out later like I did. I can't tell a kid that drops are better for him just like I won't tell him that maybe he wants a front brake. The words fall on deaf ears.
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Old 06-03-09, 10:59 AM
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i used road drops for a year and just recently i switched to risers, they work well for commuting and for long rides too...i did a 37 mile ride on sunday and the risers were great, i was surprised
 
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Originally Posted by jhaber View Post
Also tell the hipster that owns this bike below that he needs no spacers and instead should get a stem with the rise and length to place the bars in the same spot as without having them.



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Hahaha! A T1 with road drops and a $3,000+ SRM power meter. Noob.







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Originally Posted by jhaber View Post
...Also tell the hipster that owns this bike below that he needs no spacers and instead should get a stem with the rise and length to place the bars in the same spot as without having them.
You know, the owner of that bike may be recovering from an injury or training in the off season, hence the power meter. Spacers allow him to develop his flexibility and form again over a period of time. As it returns closer to the race season, he can remove spacers from under the stem and place them above. It's far easier with a quill stem, but it's obvious this is not a 'hipster' bike. Far from it, so I would suspect that the owner knows far more about his riding position than we are able to speculate.
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I heard the guy that rides that bike wears skinny jeans and one of those nifty painters hats when he rides.
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Originally Posted by krusty View Post
I would suspect that the owner knows far more about his riding position than we are able to speculate.
understatement of the week.
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Originally Posted by krusty View Post
You know, the owner of that bike may be recovering from an injury or training in the off season, hence the power meter. Spacers allow him to develop his flexibility and form again over a period of time. As it returns closer to the race season, he can remove spacers from under the stem and place them above. It's far easier with a quill stem, but it's obvious this is not a 'hipster' bike. Far from it, so I would suspect that the owner knows far more about his riding position than we are able to speculate.
Hahahaha! It's a joke jhaber was being sarcastic to make a point.

That's Lance Armstrong's T1 from like 3 years ago.
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Originally Posted by jhaber View Post
Word. Maybe that photo isn't from 3 years ago. But, I recall there being a photo of Lance's T1 showing up on BF back in like 2006. It may have had a non-standard paint job (USPS or Discovery Channel).
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Originally Posted by jhaber View Post
Where aero and power is concerned and mass start is not a factor I think horns and trial bars are the best, can anyone prove this wrong?
Trial bars, yes. Horns, no. TT and Tri riders talk about "closing the cup" when dialing in their aero position. This requires bringing elbows in and hands in front of the face on the extensions. The other part of an aero position is a (relatively) flat back. Unless your bike is specifically sized to give you this with bullhorns, you won't have either aspect of an aero position. Drops will give you a much flatter back, but the elbows are still out from the body. It will be definitely more aero than bullhorns, which, as was pointed out, are designed to emulate the hood position of road bars.

It's remarkable how many Tri riders in fact have very poor aero positions. I suspect that comfort for Ironman distance and ultimate aero positioning don't necessarily go hand in hand.
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
Hahahaha! It's a joke jhaber was being sarcastic to make a point.

That's Lance Armstrong's T1 from like 3 years ago.
Colour my face red.
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Colour my face red.
Embarrassed or not, you were still right
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Sarcastic? Me? Never.

However, I think this is going to be my new riding position:
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Originally Posted by jhaber View Post
You would hate to see my mtb, it has spacers ON TOP of the stem.
Nothing wrong with that. I have a few spacers above all my stems. It gives you some wiggle room if you need to change your setup for unexpected reasons (injury, change in riding style, etc.). Moving spacers around is better than buying a new stem or fork.

However, I still would not run 4-5 cm of spacers below a flipped down stem, especially not the stem you are using...its got a huge angle to it, which is forcing you to use an excessive number of spacers. I would flip the stem over, move it below the spacers and leave 2cm of spacers above for adjustability. Of course that will shorten your cockpit length a bit, so it may not work well.

Basically I think your stem sucks...the angle is too severe, which compromises its flipability and forces you to use more spacers than you really need. If that bike were mine, I'd put a 8-10 degree stem on it and with maybe a cm or two of spacers below and 2cm above. If fact, I did have a very similar setup on my Bareknuckle a few years ago, until I replaced it with a reasonable stem and removed several spacers.
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They are track drops for a reason, that's the only position they were designed to be riden on. Some people can deal with it.
But road drops will give you more comfort.
And road drops with hoods are the bee's knee's.

Once you go to road drops w/ hoods, you never go back...
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I love my track drops, I get 3 hand positions out of them. I don't go long distance on my fixed gear though I just ride around town with it or maybe a 15 mile ride on the weekend and they feel great. I actually run more than I ride now.
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Originally Posted by krusty View Post
You know, the owner of that bike may be recovering from an injury or training in the off season, hence the power meter. Spacers allow him to develop his flexibility and form again over a period of time. As it returns closer to the race season, he can remove spacers from under the stem and place them above. It's far easier with a quill stem, but it's obvious this is not a 'hipster' bike. Far from it, so I would suspect that the owner knows far more about his riding position than we are able to speculate.
thats funny, haha.
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Originally Posted by Carlovahnsexron View Post




Road drops have a longer flat section near the stem, and more of a shoulder for more hand positions. Track drops just curve down to the drops, with the drops being the only hand position they are designed for.
Thanks for the photos. I have ergonomic drops and they're sort of a cross between these two: not as much room (out from the stem) as on the road drops but more than there is on track drops.
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