Phil Wood with bolt-on cog
06-07-09, 06:02 AM
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Phil Wood with bolt-on cog
https://cgi.ebay.com/Custom-Phil-Wood...3A1%7C294%3A50
Looks promising. Buy it Now price seems a tad bit steep though.
Looks promising. Buy it Now price seems a tad bit steep though.
06-08-09, 02:13 PM
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How is it different from a front hub with a long axle and spacers? The shell is obviously just a front hub shell, is it some kind of special axle?
06-08-09, 07:48 PM
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Help me out: Why is this hub special? Just because they swapped the spacers on a Phil front disc hub so it fits track spacing? I've been running the rear Phil Wood single speed disc hub as a fixed for a while. Plus you get the threaded side on the flip side. You could easily change spacers on the rear hub to change it to track spacing.
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06-12-09, 03:02 AM
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06-12-09, 04:44 AM
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Lyle Vallie already makes a hub like this, and it's bangin'.
https://valliecomponents.com/
The Phil one will be like twice the price, too. Meh.
https://valliecomponents.com/
The Phil one will be like twice the price, too. Meh.
06-12-09, 05:27 AM
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Lyle Vallie already makes a hub like this, and it's bangin'.
https://valliecomponents.com/
The Phil one will be like twice the price, too. Meh.
https://valliecomponents.com/
The Phil one will be like twice the price, too. Meh.
don't count on the vallie to much cheaper, if at all.
06-12-09, 08:54 AM
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06-12-09, 09:41 AM
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I own them and they collect dust in a corner of my apartment versus some crap formulas.
Phil Woods are nice but they're more of a "oooh look at how much I spent on hubs" versus actually making a difference. I'm pretty sure I'm the same speed I am on formulas that I am on my Phil's.
I used to have them on my beater, but I got tired of being like "Oh man, what if someone steals my wheels" and so forth, it just makes more sense to run crap hubs on a beater.
Honestly I can't really see where you need Phil hubs. Shimano/Miche/Campy/Zipp all make awesome track hubs as is, so using them on the track is overkill and worthless.... Maybe on a cross bike, but most road wheels by Mavic work just fine too.
Phil Woods are nice but they're more of a "oooh look at how much I spent on hubs" versus actually making a difference. I'm pretty sure I'm the same speed I am on formulas that I am on my Phil's.
I used to have them on my beater, but I got tired of being like "Oh man, what if someone steals my wheels" and so forth, it just makes more sense to run crap hubs on a beater.
Honestly I can't really see where you need Phil hubs. Shimano/Miche/Campy/Zipp all make awesome track hubs as is, so using them on the track is overkill and worthless.... Maybe on a cross bike, but most road wheels by Mavic work just fine too.
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06-12-09, 09:46 AM
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true story.
when it comes to a track hub, it's really 70% about the bearings. paying more for better quality only comes into play when dealing with loose ball (dura ace, for instance), as the hub construction becomes an issue in that case.
when it comes to sealed stuff like phils, you're really only paying for the cartridges, flange construction and strength of threads (which doesn't even come into play in this topic). Get a decent hub shell (fixed/fixed formulas, for example), throw some phil wood cartridges inside and you're pretty much looking at the best sealed street hub you're going to get.
get phils only:
- if you have money and don't mind being seen as pretentious
or
- are a tryhard
you can get ill bling without being seen as dumb, trust. if you want to use flash to stand out, at least put some effort into it.
when it comes to a track hub, it's really 70% about the bearings. paying more for better quality only comes into play when dealing with loose ball (dura ace, for instance), as the hub construction becomes an issue in that case.
when it comes to sealed stuff like phils, you're really only paying for the cartridges, flange construction and strength of threads (which doesn't even come into play in this topic). Get a decent hub shell (fixed/fixed formulas, for example), throw some phil wood cartridges inside and you're pretty much looking at the best sealed street hub you're going to get.
get phils only:
- if you have money and don't mind being seen as pretentious
or
- are a tryhard
you can get ill bling without being seen as dumb, trust. if you want to use flash to stand out, at least put some effort into it.
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06-12-09, 10:03 AM
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On the track is the one place where super hi-end stuff does come into play. Competitive timed track events where 1/00's of a second matter. Phil is not really the best example of this, but certainly Shimano, Campy and Zipp.
06-12-09, 10:15 AM
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Until you get to the nationals level of competition, if you're running formulas or Zipp, and the wheels are built evenly, it's going to be about other things first, like the bike fit, and the rider's fitness and technique.
06-12-09, 10:31 AM
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06-13-09, 01:41 AM
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I own them and they collect dust in a corner of my apartment versus some crap formulas.
Phil Woods are nice but they're more of a "oooh look at how much I spent on hubs" versus actually making a difference. I'm pretty sure I'm the same speed I am on formulas that I am on my Phil's.
I used to have them on my beater, but I got tired of being like "Oh man, what if someone steals my wheels" and so forth, it just makes more sense to run crap hubs on a beater.
Honestly I can't really see where you need Phil hubs. Shimano/Miche/Campy/Zipp all make awesome track hubs as is, so using them on the track is overkill and worthless.... Maybe on a cross bike, but most road wheels by Mavic work just fine too.
Phil Woods are nice but they're more of a "oooh look at how much I spent on hubs" versus actually making a difference. I'm pretty sure I'm the same speed I am on formulas that I am on my Phil's.
I used to have them on my beater, but I got tired of being like "Oh man, what if someone steals my wheels" and so forth, it just makes more sense to run crap hubs on a beater.
Honestly I can't really see where you need Phil hubs. Shimano/Miche/Campy/Zipp all make awesome track hubs as is, so using them on the track is overkill and worthless.... Maybe on a cross bike, but most road wheels by Mavic work just fine too.