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Carabiner fail

Old 06-24-09, 11:03 AM
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Carabiner fail

I assume there are some "people who use carabiners" on this forum, given the subject matter.

This is only tenuously linked to FG since I was riding my bike the night in question.

A night of fail on a group bike ride.

1st girl in front of me takes a hill plus turn waaay too fast with her dog trailer, flipping it and sending the dog FLYING across the oncoming lane of traffic.

2nd the girl stashes the wrecked trailer and takes the dog BY LEASH on her bike to downtown. On the way a jogger freaks out when the dog looks like it is going to cut across her path and jumps in front of the bike. Jogger goes down, biker goes down, dog wags tail. No one hurt, fortunately, but crazy none-the-less and happening literally a few feet in front of me.

Eventually get downtown, go to an Irish pub (excellent Irish stuffed chicken breast, highly recommend it) and lock the bikes up in a huge pile out front (two U-locks and 5 bikes... hum). After drinks, unlock my bike, catch a bus back home (no lights on my bike, so riding at night is bad mojo). Hop off the bus, head to my apartment... carabiner is totally empty. Keys must have somehow jumped off the thing at SOME POINT between leaving the pub and getting to my apartment. Not such a huge deal, you might think, but I've got keys to TWO U-locks (probably not registered at time of purchase, so probably irreplaceable), my CAR and my apartment building's front door on there. The landlord wants $400 for the lost front door key since she will be replacing the lock and cutting everyone a new key. YEAH.

Needless to say, I spent hours last night re-enacting my journey from the pub to the bus stop, and from the bus to my apartment. I got one crackhead to help me look for my keys (he probably figured he could sell 'em back to me if he found them) and hustled by a homeless Vet who wanted to sell me his sleeping bag and another homeless Vet from South Carolina who needed money for his wife and kid, who are in the car just over there. Oh yeah buddy, lemme follow you into that dark alley to fact check your story out here in the sh*t-slum of Seattle at 1:15 AM.

This morning, it turns out my keys came off my carabiner in the bus. The driver found the keys and returned them to the bus station lost and found. I consider myself very lucky. It's tough to describe how desperate and distraught I was last night. It was sh*tty.

The moral of this story is: don't depend on a carabiner to hold your keys.

Cliffs:

- Went on a ride full of catastrophes
- Biggest catastrophe was losing my keyring, which included a $400 key
- Stayed up all night hanging out with crackheads and homeless dudes looking for my ring
- Baby Jesus loves me and all is well in the end

PS

My plan is to invest in a gated carabiner or some other fool-proof device to ensure that this doesn't happen ever again.

In before "cool story bro"
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Old 06-24-09, 11:12 AM
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Back when I climbed and did SAR, I remember reading numerous articles about all the possible ways you can have a 'biner unclip on you. The easiest is to have the rope (or your keyring) fold over the gate. A little pressure in the direction of the gate then opens it. It is worst with bent gate 'biners. Use a locking carabiner or at the very least, a twist-lock type, and you won't lose your keys again.
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Old 06-24-09, 11:17 AM
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http://www.backcountrygear.com/image...veOLocking.jpg
ta-da!
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Old 06-24-09, 11:27 AM
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Once my keychain fell out of my pocket.

Wait, that never happened.


I mean, I wear tight jeans as much as the next guy, but I can still jam a few keys in there. Just sayin'.
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Old 06-24-09, 11:32 AM
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Are keys made to fit in Chrome messenger bags?
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Old 06-24-09, 11:32 AM
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I keep my keys in my pocket, you should too.
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Old 06-24-09, 11:38 AM
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Things like that happen when you buy cheap stuff......
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Old 06-24-09, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
Things like that happen when you buy cheap stuff......
I always buy cheap stuff, but this is the first time this has happened to me in over 5 years.

Like I said, I'm going to "invest" in a gated/locking style carabiner. I suppose the belt loop on my cheap jeans could always tear. Maybe I'll invest in a $200 pair. Do you recommend Rock & Republic or 7 for All Mankind?
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Old 06-24-09, 11:47 AM
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I use one like this to hold camera gear off my camera bag. I also use it to hang my bag on my tripod to help stabilze the pod. Never had any issues.

http://www.rei.com/product/751528

I generally hang $3-4k in photo gear off this caribiner and trust it. What kind of caribiner did you use?

Perhaps if you need quick on-off attachment with a locking secure loop, you should get one like this:
http://www.rei.com/product/716219
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Old 06-24-09, 11:49 AM
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I thought the moral of the was leave the damn dog at home.

BTW, my keys never fall out of my pocket.
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Old 06-24-09, 11:52 AM
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I've been using the same carabiner to hold my keys since I was 14, I'm 21 now. I figure it's working alright.
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Use a decent twist or self-locker*.

The little novelty ones have a tendency to break/fall apart, usually at the worst possible time.




*just don't fall on it. Took a 3' fall to the ground while climbing and landed on a big twist-lock and my spare belay device which was hanging right at the hip-bone... Green/Yellow/Blue/Purple hip for a while and lots of pain.
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Old 06-24-09, 12:18 PM
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You finally mention the city, but still no idea about which friggin' pub where I can get this awesome chicken.
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Old 06-24-09, 12:20 PM
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Also important to remember. These are not for climbing use...



Also- Your landlord is trying to rip you off. A new lock is $50 and keys are about $2 each so unless 175 people have keys to your front door, he/she was adding a little profit margin for him/her self.

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Old 06-24-09, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CliftonGK1 View Post
You finally mention the city, but still no idea about which friggin' pub where I can get this awesome chicken.
Owl'n Thistle Irish Pub
808 Post Ave
Seattle, WA

Just south of 1st Ave and Columbia

Service was great; ambiance is what you'd expect from an Irish pub
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"Screw down so you don't screw up." if you don't know what i mean, then you never properly used a carabiner. that and my key are in my pocket, unless i am wearing shorts or Dickies with slit pockets. then they go in my bag, inside a zipper pocket, or on a Key Clip attached to the inside pocket of the bag. takes 5 minutes to sew one into any bag.
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Originally Posted by HandsomeRyan View Post
Also important to remember. These are not for climbing use...

Also- Your landlord is trying to rip you off. A new lock is $50 and keys are about $2 each so unless 175 people have keys to your front door, he/she was adding a little profit margin for him/her self.
Absolutely. I'm sure it is just a "hassle" fee, but it was in writing on the lease & I signed it. In reality, she would probably be willing to bargain... I consider it an incentive for the residents not to misplace their keys.
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Old 06-24-09, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by a_elephant View Post
I always buy cheap stuff, but this is the first time this has happened to me in over 5 years.

Like I said, I'm going to "invest" in a gated/locking style carabiner. I suppose the belt loop on my cheap jeans could always tear. Maybe I'll invest in a $200 pair. Do you recommend Rock & Republic or 7 for All Mankind?
I like 7s
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Instead of a carabiner you could just use one of these which are readily available at Home Depot.


But either way, you're still ****ed when your belt loop tears off from the weight of all those keys hanging on it.

Less likely to fail would be one of these, which attaches to your belt rather than belt loop.


These work also if you don't have a ton of keys.
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this clip is 11 years old. it was $1.50. hasn't failed yet. hook on belt loop. tuck in back pocket.
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Ive been rock climbing for a couple of years now. I recommend a locking biner and if you have a tendency to forget locking your "biner" or concerned about the possibilities of losing your keys I would suggest auto locking "biner". They are more expensive but rest assured nothing will get out.

Cheers,

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R.E. Load doesn't offer a Key Clip so i sewed on in myself. took about 10 minutes. And more than half of that time was looking for thread and a ****ty carabiner. It sits inside the pocket inside my bag. if the carabiner fails, my keys fall into my bag. if i use my smaller Chrome bag, they just get zipped into the only pocket with a zipper.
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This has been the most informative, helpful post I've seen on here in a while. Good job bfssfg.
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I don't use these for climbing anymore (i havn't been climbing in years) or keys (i hate the constant jingling sound). i use the when i got hiking, camping, or need to carry things by attaching them to the outside of my bag.

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Originally Posted by schnee View Post
How many times do you need to get to your keys a day?
6x
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