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Old 09-03-09, 04:08 AM
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Maybe you should stop being a hipster slave to fashion and get comfortable bars designed for road racing as opposed to sprints on the track. Or was that too obvious? Noodles? Townies? Mustaches? Heck, even Cinelli Criteriums? This isn't rocket science folks.
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Old 09-03-09, 08:37 AM
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Maybe you should stop being a hipster slave to fashion
Hey. I run track bars on my track bike. Suck it.
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Old 09-03-09, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by acoldspoon View Post
This isn't rocket science folks.
Yup. When will people realize that a bike set up for YOU will make you a more efficient rider? Anybody who knows about bike fitment would agree that nobody should feel pain when riding, unless it's burning guad muscles. I'm not sure why anybody would want drops unless they ride in the drops - what's the point of grabbing the tops of those? Might as well get flats or risers!

I say use a bar that doesn't cause pain - you'll ride better.
 
Old 09-05-09, 04:51 PM
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Old 09-06-09, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Dion Rides View Post
I say use a bar that doesn't cause pain - you'll ride better.
Amen to that. My B125 track drop doesn't cause pain and I ride better.

I am not saying you ought to get a track drop. YOU MUST FEEL FREE to use other bars, but don't make a statement that all track drops are bad. A track drop cause you problems doesn't mean it cause all of us problems. Some people are plenty happy with it like me.

That being said, I wouldn't tour with a track drop. I will swap over to my touring bar, but it is pretty ugly. But we ain't discussing about touring, were we?
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Old 09-06-09, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie View Post
I disagree. I don't and most of the other guys and gals I see at the track don't either. I ride all events, including the longer ones like long scratch races. The only time I ride on the tops close to the stem is when I'm warming up or have given up in a race and surrendered. Road bars are not good when you get out of the saddle to accelerate while holding onto the drops and the tops get in the way of your forearms.

My Bianchi Pista Concept came standard with track drops (Deda Elementi Pista), and they are quite easy to find online ( https://www.worldclasscycles.com/deda_track_alloy.htm ).

Now, as to using them on a road fixed gear is IMO downright silly.
That's wonderful, but your liking or disliking track drops is not relevant. In my years of racing at four or five different velodromes, I've seen track bars gradually be replaced by road drops, to the point where it seems as if only sprinters and newbie hipster riders are using them.

Don't confuse my statement with a dislike of the bar itself, because I said nothing to indicate that a preference one way or another.
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Old 09-06-09, 07:21 AM
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You guys can pretend all you want that you can comfortably ride a Nitto track drop on the road for extended periods, but anyone with even a passing familiarity with human anatomy knows that you're only fooling yourself, and perhaps ignoring the obvious signals that you're harming yourself.
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Old 09-06-09, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by bonechilling View Post
You guys can pretend all you want that you can comfortably ride a Nitto track drop on the road for extended periods, but anyone with even a passing familiarity with human anatomy knows that you're only fooling yourself, and perhaps ignoring the obvious signals that you're harming yourself.
I would like to know what are the "obvious" signals, I ought to be looking for. For example, in the case of running, I would be looking for scratchy knee caps for one. As far as I can find from reading books and posts, I ought to be looking for ...

1. Pressure on your posterior: pelvis bone should be "standing" closed to vertical.
2. Leg positions: knees should not be beyond pedal axles when under load.
3. Knee conditions: ought to move smoothly; no clicks or sanding of any sorts.
4. Palm pressure: ought to be lightly pressed if at all. look for numbness.
5. Arm conditions: bar ought be held lightly. (fatigue on extensor muscles, I found that one out myself. )
6. Stomach / back muscle fatigue: usually don't occur unless riding posture is screwed. It could happen when tired or dehydrated. (aww! I learned the latter thru experience.)
7. Keep hydrated. ... nearly forgot that one.

Anything else? I think wrist / elbow problems shouldn't arise before you feel some form of muscle fatigues. So I look for that, but I only had sore extensor muscles (not flexor or any muscles beyond my elbow joint) when I was holding bar real tight. I solved that problem real quick.

I know spinal column is extremely difficult to see problems prior to actually seeing it on X-rays. But you know we ain't Egyptians; we don't lift any stones. Little bumps here and there ain't no crushing punch. (Well, I stick to smooth road.)

As for palm pressure, using a track drop(roof) put pressure between thumb and first joint of index finger, fleshy muscular area under thumb (thenar muscle?), fleshy muscular area around lower palm. I periodically move around the pressed zone around between these area to avoid continually stressing certain region as I am told. I have never experience any numbness or anything relating to such problems. I have been looking out particularly for ulner nerve just beyond wrist for any compression as it is well known. However, all I have ever experienced is a raw skin primarily because I used rough bar tapes on bare hands.

Anything I have missed?

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Old 09-06-09, 02:33 PM
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This thread is helpful. Lately after long rides on my kilo tt (with the stock bar/stem) the base of my palms start to hurt. I usually switch up the 2 top grip and drop positions throughout the ride but obviously the issue is coming from the top positions. Can anyone take a guess at what the problem is? Sizing, bar type, etc...? Obviously I am putting to much pressure on my hands.
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Old 09-06-09, 03:46 PM
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+1 on the non death grip on the bars.
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Old 09-06-09, 05:32 PM
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good old road drops with brake hoods is the way to go
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Old 09-07-09, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by evildead View Post
This thread is helpful. Lately after long rides on my kilo tt (with the stock bar/stem) the base of my palms start to hurt. I usually switch up the 2 top grip and drop positions throughout the ride but obviously the issue is coming from the top positions. Can anyone take a guess at what the problem is? Sizing, bar type, etc...? Obviously I am putting to much pressure on my hands.
Are you talking about fleshy part of your palm? You shouldn't ride on bony parts. Also, you shouldn't do keirin racer like riding position for extended period. (If you do, you ought to go to Track forum, right?) Lift your bar up so nearly level with your saddle. This moves your weight away from your hands/arms. Kilo TT run an A-Head right? You need to fiddle with spacers or get a high rise stem.

You might want to develop your arm muscles so they soak up some shocks. If it ain't do you nothing, it will soak up some chick (or wify) attentions.
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Old 09-07-09, 06:49 PM
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rode nitto B123s on a jaguar stem for a couple of months. hands next to the stem. fashion over function, blah blah blah. terrible and uncomfortable. now i have a road stem and some risers, and the nitto stuff sits in the basement.
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rode nitto B123s on a jaguar stem for a couple of months. hands next to the stem. fashion over function, blah blah blah. terrible and uncomfortable. now i have a road stem and some risers, and the nitto stuff sits in the basement.
risers still arent very functional.
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what kind of function are you talking about? it's a handlebar. sure, it has less hand positions, but at least for me, they are WAY more comfortable than either position on my track drops. what bars are you a proponent of, bullhorns? mustache bars? what?
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Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie View Post
I disagree. I don't and most of the other guys and gals I see at the track don't either. I ride all events, including the longer ones like long scratch races. The only time I ride on the tops close to the stem is when I'm warming up or have given up in a race and surrendered. Road bars are not good when you get out of the saddle to accelerate while holding onto the drops and the tops get in the way of your forearms.

My Bianchi Pista Concept came standard with track drops (Deda Elementi Pista), and they are quite easy to find online ( https://www.worldclasscycles.com/deda_track_alloy.htm ).

Now, as to using them on a road fixed gear is IMO downright silly.
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I've got some Cinelli Giro d'Italia bars size 38cm that would give you a bit more room at the tops than most track drops without looking like touring bars. Back in the 80's, narrow bars were common as they were more aerodynamic. But they constrict the chest too much and they just aren't that comfortable for long rides.
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would top njs racers get destroyed by top uci racers?
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Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie View Post
I disagree. I don't and most of the other guys and gals I see at the track don't either. I ride all events, including the longer ones like long scratch races. The only time I ride on the tops close to the stem is when I'm warming up or have given up in a race and surrendered. Road bars are not good when you get out of the saddle to accelerate while holding onto the drops and the tops get in the way of your forearms.

Now, as to using them on a road fixed gear is IMO downright silly.
Yes, the sprint bars are made with a deep drop so you can get down lower, and they are curved rapidly outward so that your forearms don't hit the tops of the bars if you rock the bike too much in a sprint. I remember having bruises on the inside of my forearms after hilly criteriums because I had been rocking the road bike too much with its conventional road bars.

Cinelli used to make a road bar that curved down a bit like a sprint bar, the model #65. Road sprinter Roger de Vlaeminck was famous for using these on his Gios when he won the spring classics and the sprinter's jersey in the Giro.

I just want to add that a lot of the problem that people have with drop bars is that most people use them incorrectly. They need to be set up so that holding the tops, or the top of the brake levers, is the default position. In this way, they are no less comfortable than flat bars, but they provide an extra position that flat bars do not: the ability to get the body lower by putting the hands in the drops. This position is supposed to be somewhat uncomfortable because you're only going to be in this position when you're hammering into a headwind (or sprinting, which not many recreational riders will be doing). Most people make the mistake of assuming that the drops are the default position (easy to do because it's very inviting to think so, just looking at the bars), so they set the bars way too high, then wonder why their butt hurts when they ride all day on the tops.

Using sprint bars, this position on the tops is a bit more difficult to hold comfortably, because unless you have brake levers, your hands want to slide down the drops. When you watch track sprinters warming up or riding casually, they'll have their hands on the tops real close to the stem.

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Old 09-15-09, 07:09 AM
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I don't really like road bars (that I have tried) probably because most of these have short reaches. Are all modern drops like that? I just picked up an old bar that has a longer reach, and it feels good. (But I prefer the curvy profile of track drops. I will need to fiddle with it some time.)

Cinelli used to make a road bar that curved down a bit like a sprint bar, the model #65. Road sprinter Roger de Vlaeminck was famous for using these on his Gios when he won the spring classics and the sprinter's jersey in the Giro.
Hey, I didn't know model 65 is a road drop. Criterium right? I am gonna go look for one.
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I was riding road bars for a while and I started to actually lose strength in my left hand, and I tried every solution: making sure I was fitted right, double taping my bars, etc... No matter what position I was in with the road bars it was pushing on a nerve group in my hand when I rode the drops, so the road bars had to go. Went back to my old straight bars for a bit, tried out some moustache bars which were awesome for comfort and around town, but not for really long distance rides (well not for me anyway). So recently I just ordered bullhorns, thought they'd be good for distance riding and around town. Had them just normally wrapped but 20 miles into my ride my hands would get a little numb or weird, so I actually double wrapped them and they're perfect now. No hand probs at all now. You just gotta find what's comfortable and go with it. Could cost ya a bit trying out different bars, or maybe you can borrow some from a friend if they have some old ones that are different from yours, but it's worth it once you find the right bars. Good luck!
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