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Focale 44 bikes?

Old 09-29-09, 08:54 AM
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Focale 44 bikes?

My boss just handed me the new Sidewall Dist catalog (Hoffman bikes, Snafu, Superstar, etc...) and told me to look at the Focale 44 fixed gears because he was thinking about bringing one or both models in. They have 2 models, the Relax and the Noble. Anyone hear anything about these yet? They're a brand new project from Sidewall. www.focale44bikes.com

Just let me know what you think. Thanks.
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Old 09-29-09, 09:13 AM
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I have seen both models up close and they're very nice. They were on display at the COG magazine show in Tokyo a couple weeks ago. I am also currently riding a set of their integrated flat bars, which are also very nice.

Disclaimer: I am involved with COG magazine, and am not without positive bias toward Focale44. However, if I thought the bikes sucked I would say so. Period. I looked them over thoroughly and also took one for a spin and I have nothing but good things to say about them.
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Old 09-29-09, 09:40 AM
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They look okay. I always thought the idea of tarck bikes was that you were supposed to ugly them up yourself by mixing and matching ugly paint colors with random anodized parts. If you buy a bike that's tarcked out from the factory isn't that kind of cheating?

The integrated bars/stems are pretty cool though.
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whats with the handle bars/ stem on the RELAX ?
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what's the MSRP?
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Old 09-29-09, 10:30 AM
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AidanJ: What about them? Internal clamping mechanism for the steerer tube. I cut about 4" off each end from the stock size. Here's another angle, as installed on my bike:

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Old 09-29-09, 10:48 AM
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Too bad about those forks...
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The relax looks like fun.
I would just throw some straps on those platforms.
The one piece stem/bar is neato!
 
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yeah im liking the one piece bar/stem
they look pretty sweet
i also like the headtube logo
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So nobody is going to point out that they are selling a complete bike without foot retention or a brake? Those bikes look pretty at first but when closely examined they look terrible. The platforms and stem/bars/brakeless really kill it for me. This is unsafe and they shouldn't be allowed to sell these without either foot retention or brakes.
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They ought to be very cheap.

The dropout welds look messy in their own pics. The halfway integrated headset cup in the bottom of the headtube looks wrong, like it's missing the lower bearing cage or crown race. The bar stem combo is just dumb--what if someone want's to fit into their bike with a new stem? They would have to do away with the bar, which wouldn't be a bad idea if they have the Noble--some combination of road and track (ie. "tarck" -- the benefits of neither road nor track).

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Old 09-29-09, 02:51 PM
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I wouldn't buy one, mainly due to the lack of adjustability/versatility in the handlebar/stem setup. That being said, I think they'd sell like hot cakes in a LBS if you put them in the window.
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I can't believe people like the integrated bar/stem. When I see that, all I can think is "cheap."
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Originally Posted by ADSR View Post
Too bad about those forks...
took the words right out of my mouth.

they look like the other 40-50 boutique/generic brands that are crawling out of the woodworks. Nothing bad (except that fork), nothing great. just...nothing. of course, it would help if they actually posted any material on their website.

+1 on the messy welds around the rear fork ends.
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Old 09-29-09, 04:16 PM
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My boss just ordered 2 of each model. So we'll see how they do. Should be interesting.
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FD, i thought you ran flat bars cut down with bar ends attached
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Originally Posted by TheBikeRollsOn View Post
So nobody is going to point out that they are selling a complete bike without foot retention or a brake? Those bikes look pretty at first but when closely examined they look terrible. The platforms and stem/bars/brakeless really kill it for me. This is unsafe and they shouldn't be allowed to sell these without either foot retention or brakes.
They are supplied with a freewheel and not one but TWO brakes. Know your **** before you criticize. We've already been over this anyway.

How many of you saying they're crap have actually seen one? How many of you have ridden one?

What's that? Are those crickets I hear?

LupinIII: I have since added bar ends to the setup in the picture, but my old bars had been ridden for 5 years, were used when I got them, and it was time to move on.

jtgotsjets: the bars aren't "cheap." The design and quality are both quite good.
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Originally Posted by Focale44 View Post
The Noble complete bike (black) price is $739.99 and Relax complete bike is $699.99.

The frame kit (frame, fork and headset price is $449.99.
Seems quite pricey, especially when they do not even list installed components on the website.

I did some sleuthing, though, and found this chart:
https://sidewalldistro.com/blog/wp-co...frame-spec.jpg

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I can't believe people like the integrated bar/stem. When I see that, all I can think is "cheap."
I think they are ugly, and they weird me out a bit.
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Originally Posted by Fugazi Dave View Post
They are supplied with a freewheel and not one but TWO brakes. Know your **** before you criticize. We've already been over this anyway.

How many of you saying they're crap have actually seen one? How many of you have ridden one?

What's that? Are those crickets I hear?

LupinIII: I have since added bar ends to the setup in the picture, but my old bars had been ridden for 5 years, were used when I got them, and it was time to move on.

jtgotsjets: the bars aren't "cheap." The design and quality are both quite good.
No crickets here. Your boys don't list a damn thing on their website. Without any other information, how are people supposed to know what's up with these guys? Take your word for it? We go by what we've got to go on, which isn't much. I'm not gonna search for thread on this forum to find information that should be on their website.
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Originally Posted by Fugazi Dave View Post
They are supplied with a freewheel and not one but TWO brakes. Know your **** before you criticize. We've already been over this anyway.

How many of you saying they're crap have actually seen one? How many of you have ridden one?

What's that? Are those crickets I hear?

LupinIII: I have since added bar ends to the setup in the picture, but my old bars had been ridden for 5 years, were used when I got them, and it was time to move on.

jtgotsjets: the bars aren't "cheap." The design and quality are both quite good.
yess, i'm not going crazy. there was some guy a while back that wanted pics of bar ends on cut flatbars or risers to make like narrow bullhorns.
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Originally Posted by erichsia View Post
No crickets here. Your boys don't list a damn thing on their website. Without any other information, how are people supposed to know what's up with these guys? Take your word for it? We go by what we've got to go on, which isn't much. I'm not gonna search for thread on this forum to find information that should be on their website.
There's a difference between not taking my word for it (which I never asked you to) and condemning something without knowing an appreciable amount about it. Bottom line, you don't know enough about it to make a fair judgement of it in any way other than aesthetic.
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Is this what you're looking for?
https://sidewalldistro.com/blog/wp-co...frame-spec.jpg
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well if your asking us to judge fairly by assessing the components, frame build quality, geometry, usability, then nothing is going to happen until Focale 44 bikes puts up actual information about the bikes they are selling on the site... theres not so much as a single word written about these bikes, no Geo chart, no components list, no reviews on their nice little webpage with crappy pictures of the bike held up by a lamp post. Furthermore when I do find specs on Sidewalls site, the components list barely mentions what brands they used to build the bike up aside from the tektro levers, KMC chain, Campagnolo STYLE headset and Kraton Grips(which I couldnt care less about if I were buying the bike).
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Thanks for the link they look like some high quality parts! High Flanges hubs! and Forged alloy cranks are brands we all know and trust!

FSU matt, might as well just insert the image into the thread to save the jumping.

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Originally Posted by Fugazi Dave View Post
They are supplied with a freewheel and not one but TWO brakes. Know your **** before you criticize. We've already been over this anyway.

How many of you saying they're crap have actually seen one? How many of you have ridden one?

What's that? Are those crickets I hear?

LupinIII: I have since added bar ends to the setup in the picture, but my old bars had been ridden for 5 years, were used when I got them, and it was time to move on.

jtgotsjets: the bars aren't "cheap." The design and quality are both quite good.
Dude, you just lost all credibility on this topic as far as I'm concerned. You went from liking them and admitting a tiny conflict of interest to getting personally offended when others didn't like them. Can we not just dislike something? We have to try it out first? It can't just disgust us from merely looking at it? Do you have to try having sex with men to know you're not gay?

And for the record, I never said the bars were cheap. I said they reminded me of cheap stuff. Every bar/stem combo I've ever seen has come on a cheap ass bike. Merely expressing surprise that other people seemed so hot on them when historically it's a sign of a crappy bike.
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