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whitekimchee 10-13-09 09:40 AM

help a brother out
 
Yesterday I upgraded to pair of Deep Vs and also replaced my rear cog. I was running a 48x16 and now I'm on 48x18. However, I did not change my chain and the new wheel and cog fit ok but something feels off when I ride. Is it just me getting used to the new gear ratio or should I opt for a slightly longer chain?

PedallingATX 10-13-09 09:42 AM

your chain should work for that big of a step up. Especially if you were at the end of your dropouts w/ the 48 x 16. I personally run 48 x 17 and I think it's a good gear ratio. Plus it gives you 17 skid patches. Unless you installed the cog/lockring wrong, I donno what could "feel off".

destikon 10-13-09 09:44 AM

It depends on how tight your chain is. Is the wheel buried in the forkends/drops? Do you have any room to move the wheel forward? If your chain is tight as hell it might feel a little off but if not than you just need to grow a pair. That or get a smaller cog to put you back where you were.

dsh 10-13-09 09:52 AM

Make sure to re-tighten your lockring after you ride around for a while. You should only need to do this once.

whitekimchee 10-13-09 10:02 AM

I forgot to mention that before I went out for a ride my rear wheel was centered and and the lockrings were tight. However, when I came home I noticed that the wheel was completely misaligned. I attributed this to either me not tightening the lockring enough (i'm pretty damn sure I did) or that the chain was pulling the wheel forward on one side. I'm not sure if this makes sense. If it happens again tonight, Imma take a pic and post it.

ADSR 10-13-09 10:46 AM

Tighten them track nuts down hard. You probably just had a little slip.

kyselad 10-13-09 10:46 AM

Loose lockring doesn't result in a misaligned wheel, as it holds the cog in place and not the axle. The chain is always pulling harder on the drive side, so if your wheel isn't secure, it will tend to slip out of alignment. Your axle nuts are probably loose, so check (and grease) them.

dsh 10-13-09 10:51 AM

Definitely grease the threads on the track nights and crank down pretty good on them.

whitekimchee 10-13-09 11:10 AM

wait I'm putting grease on the axle nuts that hold the wheel in place? wouldn't that cause it to loosen?

I apologize for my ignorance

oh and I meant to say before that I had tightened up the axle nuts, not the lockring.The mechanic at my LBS took care of that.

hairnet 10-13-09 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by whitekimchee (Post 9850041)
wait I'm putting grease on the axle nuts that hold the wheel in place? wouldn't that cause it to loosen?

I apologize for my ignorance

it prevents the nuts and axle from rusting/corroding and seizing up. You pretty much do it on all metal/metal contact points.

norskagent 10-13-09 11:14 AM

they will hold the axle tight if you tighten them down enough, grease and all. Just don't overtighten and break an axle or something. The grease helps when it's time to loosen the nuts.

whitekimchee 10-13-09 11:24 AM

I'm guessing I should just put a bit of phil wood grease inside and not on the threading of the axle nut?

Retro Grouch 10-13-09 11:33 AM

I don't know how worn your chain is but a worn chain on a new freewheel isn't always a good match.

PedallingATX 10-13-09 11:34 AM

it doesn't matter. put it on the axle or on the inside of the axle nut. either way, it's gonna do the same thing. I would try not to get any on the actual dropouts, though.

I agree with what else has been said, you probably just didn't tighten down your axle nuts all the way. Crank down on them hard!

Also, you don't want your chain too tight. You should be able to move it up and down at least 1/2" but preferrably more.

whitekimchee 10-13-09 11:47 AM


I don't know how worn your chain is but a worn chain on a new freewheel isn't always a good match
yeah I've had my chain for about 6 months, should still be ok, It hasn't seen that heavy usage. Nonetheless, I ordered a new chain and will be swapping it for the old chain once i GET IT.

oh and thanks for all the help guys

dsh 10-13-09 12:10 PM

Remember, grease on the threading of the nut helps you get the night MUCH TIGHTER than if you tried to tighten it "dry".

whitekimchee 10-13-09 12:19 PM

really is that so? I really never knew that. I'm not being sarcastic. I learn something new everyday on this forum.

dsh 10-13-09 12:26 PM

It sure is. As you tighten the bolt, the friction on the threads increases, which prevents you from tightening it any further.

The grease helps fight that friction, so you can continue tightening the bolt.

The same is true of your cog and anything else that is threaded.

Scrotze 10-13-09 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by PedallingATX (Post 9850186)
Also, you don't want your chain too tight. You should be able to move it up and down at least 1/2" but preferrably more.

Half an inch? Really?

roastbeef 10-13-09 01:34 PM

after six months of riding, your chain probably has worn into the old cog. i would say go ahead and replace the chain to avoid abnormal wear on the new cog.

arcade 10-13-09 01:38 PM

NUT.... nut.

whitekimchee 10-13-09 01:47 PM


The grease helps fight that friction, so you can continue tightening the bolt
yeah but then don't u run the risk of stripping the nut?

Scrotze 10-13-09 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by whitekimchee (Post 9851097)
yeah but then don't u run the risk of stripping the nut?

I'd argue that you are more likely to do so if you don't grease the threads.

ilikebikes 10-13-09 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by ADSR (Post 9849877)
Tighten them track nuts down hard. You probably just had a little slip.

do not over tighten the nut as you can strip it if you over tighten it, tighten it down till it stops then give it another 1/4 turn and thats it, but before you do that add one of these. :thumb:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...tugnut-010.jpg

whitekimchee 10-13-09 02:18 PM

chain tensioner eh? what exactly do they and do they work?


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