Well they didn't quite do it...they forgot to replace the stuff as it breaks

The old tool set should give you an idea of what tools you really need, and which ones have to be durable...it will also provide you with junky versions of the tools you rarely need that probably won;t break/wear out for a while since you never use them.

Buying a new complete set is just going to get you another full set, completely with the tools you never use (like a freewheel tool for a type of freewheel you don't own). If you replace (and add missing items) along the way, you will be set.

well now you're making me wonder, I thought I had convinced myself I needed ak37. Working with crappy tools, having them break, and buying tools twice will kind of annoy me. One of the reviewers said some of the stuff is slightly off on sizing on the $33 kit. Plus I checked the shipping on it and it's $16, versus free. So the Park set is $170 more. How many tool replacements would I have to make to reach that $170, while suffering with s*** tools? Hmm..

This is what I bought. I still had to use some of my previous tools but I am loving the kit so far.

http://www.parktool.com/images/produ...8514_75862.jpg

* AV-1 Axle Vise
* BBT-5 Bottom Bracket/ Cassette Lockring Tool for Campagnolo
* BBT-9 Bottom Bracket for 16 notch external bearing crankset systems
* BBT-18 Chainring Lockring/ Bottom Bracket Tool
* BBT-22 Cartridge Bottom Bracket Tool (for 20 tooth internal splines, such as Shimano®, FSA®, etc.)
* BT-2 Fourth Hand Brake Tool
* BO-2 Bottle Opener
* CBW-1 8 and 10mm Open End Wrench
* CBW-4 9 and 11mm Open End Wrench
* CC-2 Chain Checker Chain Wear Indicator
* CCP-2 Crank Puller (square spindle type)
* CCP-4 Crank Puller (ISIS Drive® and Shimano® Octalink type
* CCW-5 Crank Wrench 14mm socket / 8mm hex
* CM-5 Cyclone Chain Cleaner
* CN-10 Cable Cutter
* CNW-2 Chainring Nut Wrench
* CRS-1 Crown Race Setting System
* CT-3 Professional Screw Type Chain Tool
* DAG-1 Derailleur Alignment Gauge
* FR-5 Cassette Lockring Tool for Shimano® and similar brands
* GP-2 Pre-Glued Patch Kit
* GSC-1 GearClean Brush
* HCW-4 36mm Box-End and Bottom Bracket Pin Spanner
* HCW-5 Double-Sided Bottom Bracket Lockring Tool
* HCW-15 32 and 36mm Laser Cut Headset Wrenches (two)
* HHP-2 Bearing Cup Press
* PAW-12 12-inch Adjustable Wrench
* PH-1 P-Handled Hex Wrench Set w/ Holder (7 Piece Set)
* PPL-2 PolyLube 1000 Grease (tub)
* PW-4 Professional Pedal Wrench
* RT-1 Headset Cup Remover
* SA-3 Heavy Duty Shop Apron
* SBC-1 Spoke, Bearing, and Cotter Gauge
* SCW-SET 13mm through 19mm Professional Shop Cone Wrench Set
* SD-0 Screwdriver- cross tip #0
* SD-3 Screwdriver- straight blade 3mm
* SD-2 Screwdriver- cross tip #2
* SD-6 Screwdriver- straight blade 6mm
* SG-6 Threadless Saw Guide
* SR-2 Professional Sprocket Remover
* SW-0 Professional Spoke Wrench
* SW-1 Professional Spoke Wrench
* SW-2 Professional Spoke Wrench
* TAP-7 3mm x 0.5 Tap For Rear Wheel Dropout Alignment Screws
* TAP-8 5mm x .8 Tap For Water Bottle, Toe Clip, Fender, and Rack Bosses
* TAP-9 6mm x 1.0mm Tap For Cantilever Brake Bosses
* TAP-10 10mm x 1.0mm Tap for Derailleur Hanger
* TB-2 Tire Boot
* TL-1 Tire Levers
* TL-10 Shop Tire Lever
* TNS-1 Threadless Nut Setter
* WAG-3 Wheel Alignment Gauge (Dishing Tool)

Looking on average $700 but a great investment if you can spring for it.

^that is flippin serious, grats on that purchase. that's funny it includes the bottle opener. That'd be the first thing I used to take the sting off that sticker price. You opening a LBS in your garage? lol

well, id like to start a mobile bike repair setup. so thats another reason for wanting good tools. i think ill get the AK37 and grab the small amount ot other tools i need

ok, so i was going to buy this stuff
1/8 whip (mine isnt)
CP-22 crank puller
T handle hex wrnches (not park)
pedros chain keeper (convenience)
cable cutters
7 set cone wrenches
(need to find a gripped headset wrench too)
HCW4 and HCW5 for BB stuff

anything else im missing?
I have a 14/15/pedal wrench all in one
Shimano cassette remover
normal chain whip
adjustables
screwdrivers
chain breaker
tub o lube
and a few deadblow and normal hammers and chisels


AND know anywhere that SHIPS to APO?
apparently noone on amazon does

you sticking with your kit then?

eh, kinda.
yeah pretty mcuh
if i order the stuff above its like 100 bucks. ill add some more stuff, and go from there. id rather not have stuff laying around i wont use (like Campy bull****)

anyone have any opinions on these tool kits in comparison to the ak-37?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

bump

The 3 you posted don't look that great, esp the middle one for $197, I would just get park for $220 instead.

Here are a couple more kits to throw into the pile, which don't look too bad, Sette Torx brand
37pc for $140: http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/182...--37-Tools.htm
41pc for $160: http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/182...--41-Tools.htm

(and their lower end kits:
32pc for $120: http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/145...--32-Tools.htm
21pc for $47: http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/145...--21-Tools.htm )

wow preston811 that's a sweet breakdown you did of those two kits. I've been looking for a kit myself and that helps out a lot. Thanks man.

i ended up buying the pieces i needed. os no kit just yet

Next month Park is adding the EK-1, or Event Kit. I love the attache case over the box or the backpack. I hope that it debuts at an "introductory" price.