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Kilo TT in Chrome and Paint/Chrome -- at last

Old 12-24-09, 02:43 PM
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I'd also be very interested in something with a 27.2 seatpost. It's honestly the only thing that's kept me from buying that frame months and months ago. Steep geo with fender/rack mounts is just about perfect for me, but finding a 26.8 seatpost can get kind of annoying.
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I'm tempted to pull the trigger on one of these... but a lugged frame without chromed lugs would be very cool. The chrome on the seat/chain stays and fork are cool enough--especially if it saves $100 on the cost.

One question. The older Kilo didn't have the bottle cage braze-ons. Was adding them a design decision? Seems like there's more pull towards braze-on free frames.

And +1 for using the chrome/paint frames for production bikes. Perhaps the added volume would keep the prices lower?

Great stuff, and it's great to see you soliciting feedback before producing a bike/frame. Nothing like knowing your market, eh?
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Originally Posted by ADSR View Post
finding a 26.8 seatpost can get kind of annoying.
+1!

I ended up getting a 25.4 Campy post and using a shim.
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Originally Posted by Aged Bike Fixer View Post
The older Kilo didn't have the bottle cage braze-ons. Was adding them a design decision? Seems like there's more pull towards braze-on free frames.
The complete bike doesn't come with bottle mounts but I'm pretty sure the frameset-only version always had them. What's up with that?
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Old 12-24-09, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ADSR View Post
I'd also be very interested in something with a 27.2 seatpost. It's honestly the only thing that's kept me from buying that frame months and months ago. Steep geo with fender/rack mounts is just about perfect for me, but finding a 26.8 seatpost can get kind of annoying.
what type of 26.8 post would you want
I would think I can find them easily

of course, my idea would be the entire industry go to 3 sizes of posts period
but I guess none is listening as I have been pushing that for 20 years
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Originally Posted by Aged Bike Fixer View Post
I'm tempted to pull the trigger on one of these... but a lugged frame without chromed lugs would be very cool. The chrome on the seat/chain stays and fork are cool enough--especially if it saves $100 on the cost.

One question. The older Kilo didn't have the bottle cage braze-ons. Was adding them a design decision? Seems like there's more pull towards braze-on free frames.

And +1 for using the chrome/paint frames for production bikes. Perhaps the added volume would keep the prices lower?

Great stuff, and it's great to see you soliciting feedback before producing a bike/frame. Nothing like knowing your market, eh?

the H2O brazeons are a design decision
it is funny; as a few people prefer to not have them - but they know they do not hurt anything
and a large group of people really want them

very hard to please everyone; but to me it is kind of like eyelets on a cyclo cross bike - purists do not want them but know they do not hurt anything; and a ton of buyers that use CX bikes for commuting and such - must have them to be happy

I guess when the market is big enough; we can bring bikes both ways
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fully chromed clear coated with no labels
mavic open pro cd to formula unlabled sealed bearing cartridge hubs dura ace cog/lockring fixed fixed
sram courier cranks s300/ sugino zen messenger chainring
threaded fork
mks sylvan/ gr9 pedal/ steel mks clips
kmc chain stainless steel
track drops aluminum in the style of cinelli 65 crit or the sakae aluminum track anotmics
selle italia turbo saddle

for 500

forward sloping top tube maybe. nicer steel 725 maybe

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Originally Posted by ern View Post
fully chromed clear coated with no labels
mavic open pro cd to formula unlabled sealed bearing cartridge hubs dura ace cog/lockring fixed fixed
sram courier cranks s300/ sugino zen messenger chainring
threaded fork
mks sylvan/ gr9 pedal/ steel mks clips
kmc chain stainless steel
track drops aluminum in the style of cinelli 65 crit or the sakae aluminum track anotmics
selle italia turbo saddle

for 500

forward sloping top tube maybe. nicer steel 725 maybe
Please also dip it in gold and get it down to $99.
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Originally Posted by ern View Post
fully chromed clear coated with no labels
mavic open pro cd to formula unlabled sealed bearing cartridge hubs dura ace cog/lockring fixed fixed
sram courier cranks s300/ sugino zen messenger chainring
threaded fork
mks sylvan/ gr9 pedal/ steel mks clips
kmc chain stainless steel
track drops aluminum in the style of cinelli 65 crit or the sakae aluminum track anotmics
selle italia turbo saddle

for 500

forward sloping top tube maybe. nicer steel 725 maybe
That's not a Kilo TT.
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call it something else.
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I'd pay 350 for a lugged kilo. An extra 100 for the chromed lugs would be nice (I probably personally wouldn't opt for it since it's too much chrome for me) but I think at $350 the lugged version would be a big seller.
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Old 12-25-09, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bikesdirect_com View Post
what type of 26.8 post would you want
I would think I can find them easily

of course, my idea would be the entire industry go to 3 sizes of posts period
but I guess none is listening as I have been pushing that for 20 years
Carbon fiber,zero offset.
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Old 12-25-09, 11:01 PM
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So this won't be available complete until August 2010 ish?
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Originally Posted by bikesdirect_com View Post
Thanks for the input

Kilo TT frame I would keep the same

But I can easily add a frame with 27.2 seatpost and a 1-1/8 HT

Any suggestions other than that?
Geo change?
braze-ons?
dropouts?

bikeisland does a lot of frames and wheels; so I am always looking for ideas in options there
These new bikes and color options are AMAZING. Really digging the white, black, and all chrome.

I think a KiloTT with 27.2 seatpost and 1-1/8" headtube would be awesome. Same geo, same tire clearances, just slightly different sizing there. Get rid of the fender mounts too. Fully lugged would also be sick. Just change a letter like you did with the WT.
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lose the bottle mounts. i put cup holders on my other rides.
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eh, I say leave the head tube because 1 inch gives you many more possibilities (including threaded) and you can easily shim up to 1/8. However, definitely get 27.2 because it's much more universal with recent track bikes and would be easier on the buyers to buy parts (not like it's too difficult to buy 26.8, but it's a preference thing).

However, as for newer ideas... definitely go lugged. The Kilo is highly respected even though it's mass produced, and chrome lugs would make it that much more appealing to the rest of the track bike "aristocracy".
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Just ordered the Chrome in size 55! Sooo excited. I already have most of the parts for the build, just need to order; seatpost, bottom bracket, cog/lockring, chain, headset & a couple of spacers. Pic's within a month.
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Originally Posted by bikesdirect_com View Post
Most bike shops can do it - takes about 10 minutes if you have the correct tools
Actually there aren't many if any shops/framebuilders that will start to thread a steer tube. First modern steer tubes generally aren't 22.2 ID so a quill stem won't work. Second the die is designed to extend threads not start them. The most common way to switch from threadless to threaded (********) is to have the steer tube cut, sleeved and a threaded portion brazed on.
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Originally Posted by bikesdirect_com View Post
We can do lugged frame no problem
But it runs price up $100 in paint and $200 if I chrome the lugs
Plus sizes become limited due to limits on lugs available

Would people but a $350 frameset in lugged?
or $450 in lugged with lugs chromed?
You have been asking that question for 2 years and the answer has always been yes. The reason your current lugged frame doesn't sell well is the geometry is wonky.
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Also if you can change the current Kilo to 27.2 as a mid-life cycle upgrade =)
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I think people are asking a lot with changes to the existing design. I do think lugs would be awesome and make it more marketable as a "classic" styled steel track frame. I would buy one in a second. if you step up the head to to 1-1/8 you lose the ability to go threaded, which would be a deal breaker for me. the 26.8 seatpost seems kind of a non issue. I had no problems finding a seatpost but it wouldn't really matter to me if it was 27.2. I personally use the bottle mounts a lot. I have a bottle holder and I wouldnt be able to put my Ihome cycler anywhere if I didn't have it. My only suggestion would be the lugs.
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lugs will sell better than double top tube.
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as long as we are wishing...
internal top tube cable routing
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How bout options in singlespeed CYCLOCROSS versions PLEEEAAASSSSSEEEE!!!!!
Enough options for the hipster fixed gear crowd! How bout more for us poor S.O.B.'s in the SSCX group?!
The Kilo WT is lovely, but MAKE IT IN A CROSS VERSION!!!!!!!
Please?
Pretty please?
With chrome on top?
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