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Old 01-18-10, 03:03 PM
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post your cinelli x mash frame review

there are literally no reviews on the frame or any feedback (only one via google search).

I know they are hard to come by but if anyone on here owns it please share some insights.

1. How do you like the frame vs steel?
2. Does the pursuit frame make you accelerate faster?
3. Overall quality.
4. Weight? flex? stiff?

Thanks guys!
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Old 01-18-10, 08:37 PM
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no one?
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5h30m and no reviews????

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well im from the bay area lol. But i ride a windsor. lol. shame no one is posting here. I think the Cinelli Mash is mostly a Bay Area thing. Since Mash is a local Bay Area crew.

But on that note, Mash is so raw.
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Originally Posted by brron View Post
there are literally no reviews on the frame or any feedback (only one via google search).

I know they are hard to come by but if anyone on here owns it please share some insights.

1. How do you like the frame vs steel?
2. Does the pursuit frame make you accelerate faster?
3. Overall quality.
4. Weight? flex? stiff?

Thanks guys!
...and here I was thinking that doing squats for the last 6 months would make me accelerate faster.

I gotta have a long talk with my coach.
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Old 01-19-10, 01:47 PM
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Well, a friend of mine has one. But he built his up like an idiot. He put some downhill MTB cranks on it, an ugly fender, crap pedals, risers that were flipped down for some reason, etc... But I did pick it up and it was still super light.
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Old 01-19-10, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
...and here I was thinking that doing squats for the last 6 months would make me accelerate faster.

I gotta have a long talk with my coach.


I'll save u the trouble and tell u squats make u faster. However due to the interesting frame geo, I'm wondering if anyone notice a different riding style, not really faster, specifically. Sorry.


I'm from the bay area too and I don't see them anywhere, even tho lbs iminusd seems to sell out preorders. And I won't build it like an idiot, it'll be classy
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Originally Posted by ph4nt0mf1ng3rs View Post
well im from the bay area lol. But i ride a windsor. lol. shame no one is posting here. I think the Cinelli Mash is mostly a Bay Area thing. Since Mash is a local Bay Area crew.

But on that note, Mash is so raw.
you would be woefully wrong on that one.
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I'm from the bay area too and I don't see them anywhere, even tho lbs iminusd seems to sell out preorders. And I won't build it like an idiot, it'll be classy
Perhaps people are using them for their intended purpose. Do you see any at the track, or are you only checking local pubs and coffee shops?
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Originally Posted by brron View Post
I'll save u the trouble and tell u squats make u faster. However due to the interesting frame geo, I'm wondering if anyone notice a different riding style, not really faster, specifically. Sorry.


I'm from the bay area too and I don't see them anywhere, even tho lbs iminusd seems to sell out preorders. And I won't build it like an idiot, it'll be classy
Even track racers from recreational to elite have abandoned slanted pursuit frame geometry. That should tell you something. It tells me that it doesn't make anything faster. Further, pursuit frames are to be used with aerobars. Period.



If you use drops or risers your back and neck will *still* ache.

I think it was a half-baked idea to make it. Yeah, as maybe a show bike or prototype, but not for production. I'm willing to bet a dollar to a dime that anyone who buys it and actually rides it would look to sell it within months.
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Old 01-19-10, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian View Post
Perhaps people are using them for their intended purpose. Do you see any at the track, or are you only checking local pubs and coffee shops?
I don't go out to pubs or coffee shops: I do go to local rides and I am presuming it was intended as a street/urban frame, not a track frame. I also commute to sf regularly, haven't seen one in sf in person either.
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
Even track racers from recreational to elite have abandoned slanted pursuit frame geometry. That should tell you something. It tells me that it doesn't make anything faster. Further, pursuit frames are to be used with aerobars. Period.



If you use drops or risers your back and neck will *still* ache.

I think it was a half-baked idea to make it. Yeah, as maybe a show bike or prototype, but not for production. I'm willing to bet a dollar to a dime that anyone who buys it and actually rides it would look to sell it within months.
so you think it's all hype trying to cash in? I understand there are some hype surrounding it since it's in collab with mashsf, but i really like the frame style.
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mash is a bro bike. i'd take one though.
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Old 01-19-10, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by brron View Post
so you think it's all hype trying to cash in? I understand there are some hype surrounding it since it's in collab with mashsf, but i really like the frame style.
Yes. It's all hype.

"The MASHSF fixie frameset is an all-new design built from the ground up. The result of a collaboration between a San Francisco group of artists, photographers, bike messengers and Cinelli. Featuring pursuit track geometry, monochromatic paint scheme and a retro-Classic Cinelli crest logo on the head tube."
https://www.cinelli-usa.com/frame_09mash.html

I don't even have to see the bike to know it's all about hype.

Man, it looks *interesting* (I won't go so far as to say "good" or "cool") but don't let that keep you from spending (less of) your hard-earned money on a bike that will actually fit better, which will result in the best performance possible from your body.

MASH is just cashing in on the quirky cool factor of pursuit bikes from decades ago.
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Originally Posted by Brian View Post
Perhaps people are using them for their intended purpose. Do you see any at the track, or are you only checking local pubs and coffee shops?
Well, if by "intended purpose" you mean to create a useless bike that is virtually unridable to be purchased by people with more money than brains, then maybe people are just building them and then immediately trying to flip them. I've never seen one at the track or anything like it, and I go to the track a lot.
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Well, if by "intended purpose" you mean to create a useless bike that is virtually unridable to be purchased by people with more money than brains, then maybe people are just building them and then immediately trying to flip them. I've never seen one at the track or anything like it, and I go to the track a lot.
It's a catch-22. Like a Hummer. Marketing dictates an image that the design cannot live up to. But they do refer to it as a track bike.
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Old 01-19-10, 07:19 PM
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it's ok

I'll give you a review. I've owned a 53cm since sept. 09 and it's been a joy to have. I'm fortunate enough to have friends who are the same height as me and we all trade bikes just to get a feel for them. I've had the privilege to ride a makino, gt pulse, pista concept, and a steel pista over the years. The mash is my main squeeze and we do 14 mile round trip commutes and the occasional long ride. I currently have it setup with risers as it's easier for me to commute with them. The geometry wasn't hard to get used to as all my bikes are setup with very little saddle to bar drop. I do not have back pain or neck strain due to the geo. If you like whip skids this bike is very easy to do them with because more of your weight is placed over the front wheel. The bike is the light, stiff, and borderline harsh even with a 28c rando and 25c bontrager hardcase up front. Here's my commuting setup:



It's a great bike and although it's labeled as pursuit geo, it isn't as aggressive as an affiinity lo-pro. I hope I gave some useful insight
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I'll give you a review. I've owned a 53cm since sept. 09 and it's been a joy to have. I'm fortunate enough to have friends who are the same height as me and we all trade bikes just to get a feel for them. I've had the privilege to ride a makino, gt pulse, pista concept, and a steel pista over the years. The mash is my main squeeze and we do 14 mile round trip commutes and the occasional long ride. I currently have it setup with risers as it's easier for me to commute with them. The geometry wasn't hard to get used to as all my bikes are setup with very little saddle to bar drop. I do not have back pain or neck strain due to the geo. If you like whip skids this bike is very easy to do them with because more of your weight is placed over the front wheel. The bike is the light, stiff, and borderline harsh even with a 28c rando and 25c bontrager hardcase up front. Here's my commuting setup:



It's a great bike and although it's labeled as pursuit geo, it isn't as aggressive as an affiinity lo-pro. I hope I gave some useful insight
Very nice. How tall are you?
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Thanks! I'm 5'8"
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Originally Posted by brron View Post
I'll save u the trouble and tell u squats make u faster. However due to the interesting frame geo, I'm wondering if anyone notice a different riding style, not really faster, specifically. Sorry.


I'm from the bay area too and I don't see them anywhere, even tho lbs iminusd seems to sell out preorders. And I won't build it like an idiot, it'll be classy
The "pursuit" aspect of it would be kind of like putting a 65 degree drop stem on your bike and put it all the way down on the steer tube. Try it out and tell me if you go faster.

As a collaboration/ art standpoint, it is a cool bike. I really like that they redesigned the old head tube logo.
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Originally Posted by championbelto View Post
I'll give you a review. I've owned a 53cm since sept. 09 and it's been a joy to have. I'm fortunate enough to have friends who are the same height as me and we all trade bikes just to get a feel for them. I've had the privilege to ride a makino, gt pulse, pista concept, and a steel pista over the years. The mash is my main squeeze and we do 14 mile round trip commutes and the occasional long ride. I currently have it setup with risers as it's easier for me to commute with them. The geometry wasn't hard to get used to as all my bikes are setup with very little saddle to bar drop. I do not have back pain or neck strain due to the geo. If you like whip skids this bike is very easy to do them with because more of your weight is placed over the front wheel. The bike is the light, stiff, and borderline harsh even with a 28c rando and 25c bontrager hardcase up front. Here's my commuting setup:



It's a great bike and although it's labeled as pursuit geo, it isn't as aggressive as an affiinity lo-pro. I hope I gave some useful insight
thanks for posting It's funny, I was going for almost the same set up as you (op rims, omnium crank). I'm 5'9" and suppose I would be getting the 53 as well. When you say borderline harsh, do you mean the fatigue that comes from the bike? road vibrations? My commute every day is 14 miles as well, mostly flat. Nice bike, and thanks again.
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Originally Posted by ph4nt0mf1ng3rs View Post
well im from the bay area lol. But i ride a windsor. lol. shame no one is posting here. I think the Cinelli Mash is mostly a Bay Area thing. Since Mash is a local Bay Area crew.
Someone in Boston has one. I saw it locked up outside of Charlie's Kitchen in Harvard Square around 1AM about a month or so ago. I recall my wife making a joke that it was just hanging out waiting to get stolen.
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A buddy of mine has one. He says the frame rides very tall. I think he said he normally rides a 54 or 55 and he has the Mash in 53. He loves it and says it rides fast as hell.
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Yeah, it does ride pretty tall. My other bike is a fuji track pro which is downright feathery compared to the cinelli, but the cinelli feels more comfortable to me. They're both the same gearing but the fuji accelerates way faster because my cinelli build is a little heavier. All and all, it's fun to ride and It's comfy, I've never felt this comfortable in drops before. Probably because the pursuit geo isn't all that aggressive.

Here's my setup:
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Yeah, it does ride pretty tall. My other bike is a fuji track pro which is downright feathery compared to the cinelli, but the cinelli feels more comfortable to me. They're both the same gearing but the fuji accelerates way faster because my cinelli build is a little heavier. All and all, it's fun to ride and It's comfy, I've never felt this comfortable in drops before. Probably because the pursuit geo isn't all that aggressive.

Here's my setup:
Can you do us a favor?

Take the following measurements for both of your bikes:
Middle of Bottom Bracket to Center of Seat Rails
Center of Seat Rail to Center of Stem (where it clamps the bar)
Center of Stem (at bar clamp) to Front Wheel bolt.

I think you pretty much negated the pursuit geometry by stacking the stem so high (even with the downward tilt).
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