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Old 01-21-10, 01:08 PM
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I think this clip may shed some light on how each side of the issue looks at each others position : https://www.outloudopinion.com/2008/1...-comedy-piece/
Please note it is produced from a rightwing point of view, but hey give it a listen if you want.
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Originally Posted by ValVal View Post
I just don't think it's the good method... Violence begets violence : The more you're prone to shoot on an attacker, the more he'll be prone to shoot you !
So, as i'm not a cop and don't mean to be, I'll probably prefer to comply with an attacker than to risk my life or that of people around.
My point is you take more risk carrying a gun than not.
This is 100% incorrect. Comply to an attacker? So if he's beating you with a club, you'd just lay down and let him because "violence begets violence?" I think you meant to say was: "comply with the aggressive party's demands." ie, wallet/watch/money etc. It would be nice if NOBODY had weapons, but that isn't reality. Until the crazies get rid of theirs, i'm keeping mine.

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Old 01-21-10, 02:35 PM
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this is still going? woooooow.
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My point is you take more risk carrying a gun than not.
Man, is that ever ignorant. There are sooo many stories where ONE gun in the right hands at the right time would SAVE so many lives. Its so stupid to assume only bad things happen around guns and that they cause violence.
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Originally Posted by stryper View Post
I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say none of you have ever really taken drugs except maybe smoked a little weed. Drugs don't make you insane and irrationally murderous.
Alcohol does. Tens of millions of violent acts committed every year, under the influence of alcohol, testify to this. I assume that some other drugs, such as crack (cocaine) and meth make people aggressive as well.

EDIT: Weed (THC) does not make people aggressive, and it's not even addictive.

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Old 01-21-10, 06:00 PM
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I never said that one has to be armed where I live. I choose to carry, and have a legal right to do so.

Here's the point: You are leaving the store/pub/coffee shop, and realize that some drunk/tweaker is trying to steal your bike. He has it in his hands already. So what do you do, walk away? Or do you try to get your bike back? After asking him to kindly hand over your bike, he brandishes a knife or similar weapon and proceeds to attack you, even though you have not provoked him in any way. In your words, he "commits completely to the punch/slash/stab motion, irrespective of danger or consequences". Tell me again how it is better to be in that position, and unarmed.

For what it's worth, that's exactly the kind of situation they presented in some of the training I went through.
I can't disagree that a gun gives you more options. Yes, if you know how to use it (and have the wisdom of knowing when is it appropriate to use it), having a gun with you can be advantageous. I get what you're saying.

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Originally Posted by wroomwroomoops View Post
I can't disagree that a gun gives you more options. Yes, if you know how to use it (and have the wisdom of knowing when is it appropriate to use it), having a gun with you can be advantageous. I get what you're saying.
I've been a recreational shooter for over twenty years, and have spent more than my fair share of time reading up on the legalities of lethal force. Two years ago, I had the opportunity to work with a SWAT trainer, which was quite the eye-opener. Even though he's now married to my ex wife, we're still friends, and I'll be going for some follow-up training next week.

A worse crime than illegally carrying a weapon is getting a concealed carry permit, but not the necessary training to go with it.
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I know many like to assume the worst in everybody, but if "deep down he really wanted to keep it" why on earth would he bother posting it?
To either A: make a few bucks B: Not feel guilty about having the bike because he "tried" to find the original owner.

Of course he should report finding the bike to the police... but ya know...

On the tangential topic, I've found that carrying dynamite is better for scaring off would be thugs than a gun.
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Old 01-21-10, 11:29 PM
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U-LOCK JUSTICE!!!!!!!!!



don't do it again bro... stealing bikes
Thread sucks but this reply is awesome
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Old 01-21-10, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by wroomwroomoops View Post
Alcohol does. Tens of millions of violent acts committed every year, under the influence of alcohol, testify to this. I assume that some other drugs, such as crack (cocaine) and meth make people aggressive as well.

EDIT: Weed (THC) does not make people aggressive, and it's not even addictive.
Alcohol can make you aggressive yes, but I was talking about all these "crackheads." I know cocaine doesn't make you aggressive or even irrational to any large degree, yes I have done enough cocaine to be able to say that. Crack is a bit different, but a side effect still doesn't involve aggression. A persons personality can be aggressive and their addiction to and lack of drugs can cause irrational.

And although THC isn't chemically/physically addictive, it is mentally addictive. The feeling you derive from or the experience you associate with smoking is in many cases addictive. And once again, yes I have enough experience smoking weed and attending narcotics anonymous meetings to say that.

All this to say it's not being a crackhead that makes you steal bikes, it's that you are regardless of the drugs okay with stealing bikes for money, and a lack of drugs/money to do drugs may be a motivating factor, but no more than a lack of anything you want. And addiction is classified as a disease, and shooting someone because they are acting upon a disease is both ignorant and irrational. Should you sit and watch somebody steal your bike, no, but shooting someone is almost never the only option, or even a good one
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Old 01-22-10, 01:21 AM
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All addictions are physcal. ugh, there is so much misinformation about drugs in our world.
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Old 01-22-10, 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by PedallingATX View Post
All addictions are physcal.
THC is not physically addictive
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Old 01-22-10, 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by PedallingATX View Post
All addictions are physcal. ugh, there is so much misinformation about drugs in our world.
Not at all true. Think of someone who weighs 700 pounds. They aren't physically addicted to food, it's mental. It's in their mind that they have become addicted to eating, their body doesn't want more food, I promise.

The same holds true to weed. I know plenty of people addicted to weed. It's not that it has any chemical properties that cause your body to crave it or anything, your mind wants it. I have been addicted to drugs, sat through many drug addiction classes, and studied addiction. i know a little about what I'm saying
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Guns are for people who are afraid. Compassion and loving kindness are for the brave.
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Guns are for people who are afraid. Compassion and loving kindness are for the brave.
I LOL at this
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Originally Posted by stryper View Post
Not at all true. Think of someone who weighs 700 pounds. They aren't physically addicted to food, it's mental. It's in their mind that they have become addicted to eating, their body doesn't want more food, I promise.

The same holds true to weed. I know plenty of people addicted to weed. It's not that it has any chemical properties that cause your body to crave it or anything, your mind wants it. I have been addicted to drugs, sat through many drug addiction classes, and studied addiction. i know a little about what I'm saying
Weed (THC) is addictive as sex is addictive, as food is addictive, as video games are addictive. Anything that causes pleasure can be addictive - psychologically
And yet, it's pretty universally accepted that we don't want to bar people from playing video games, eating fine food or having sex. People can generally very easily turn away from weed, as they can from their favorite food or from sex. They are all alluring, sure, but the great majority of people can do fine without, for a while.

Contrast this to nicotine, which is physically addictive, and people have an extremely hard time to get out of it. Alcohol is even worse.
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And addiction is classified as a disease, and shooting someone because they are acting upon a disease is both ignorant and irrational. Should you sit and watch somebody steal your bike, no, but shooting someone is almost never the only option, or even a good one
See post 42.
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All I'm gonna say is

Good old England

Hey you'll get your head stamped on if your down and stabbed if your lucky

But your unlikely to get shot
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Originally Posted by not required View Post
All I'm gonna say is

Good old England

Hey you'll get your head stamped on if your down and stabbed if your lucky

But your unlikely to get shot
Like Australia. Maybe get bashed up, or a bottle broken over your head. But not too likely to get shot, unless you're in Sydney, Perth, or Melbourne.

What amazed me was that so many security officers had their guns taken off them by criminals. If you need a gun in Sydney, just beat up an armed guard, and take theirs.
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Originally Posted by jack002 View Post
There are sooo many stories where ONE gun in the right hands at the right time would SAVE so many lives.
There are even more lives that would have been saved if there hasn't been a gun in the wrong hands...
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There are even more lives that would have been saved if there hasn't been a gun in the wrong hands...
Very rarely do those "wrong hands" belong to a victim.
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Originally Posted by not required View Post
All I'm gonna say is

Good old England

Hey you'll get your head stamped on if your down and stabbed if your lucky

But your unlikely to get shot

Just to clarify, what I meant was instead of shooting you to death, you are stamped or stabbed
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Originally Posted by Brian View Post
Like Australia. Maybe get bashed up, or a bottle broken over your head. But not too likely to get shot, unless you're in Sydney, Perth, or Melbourne.

What amazed me was that so many security officers had their guns taken off them by criminals. If you need a gun in Sydney, just beat up an armed guard, and take theirs.
That's because people in both of those countries know how to take an ass-whooping! Here you can't look at people the wrong way without incurring some kind of anger or negative response. Get into a fight and win and the sore loser goes home and comes back with a damn gun! This is probably from watching all this American football, if they watched real Football they could butt heads and settle things over lots of beers instead.
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Originally Posted by Thetank View Post
That's because people in both of those countries know how to take an ass-whooping! Here you can't look at people the wrong way without incurring some kind of anger or negative response. Get into a fight and win and the sore loser goes home and comes back with a damn gun! This is probably from watching all this American football, if they watched real Football they could butt heads and settle things over lots of beers instead.
How much time have you spent in Australia?
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