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The perfection of NJS frames

Old 02-18-10, 12:01 AM
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The perfection of NJS frames

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-a-broken-fork

Just for you folks that seem to think an NJS stamp means your bike was handbuilt by God.
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Wow thanks!
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That, BTW, is just plain lousy workmanship. It can be argued that it would not have broken had it not been abused, but properly brazed joints simply do not rust. Whoever built it just did not heat the joint adequately and did not get nearly enough filler metal into it.
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What did Vivalo lose their NJS creds for again? It wasn't for this was it?
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Originally Posted by Six jours View Post
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-a-broken-fork

Just for you folks that seem to think an NJS stamp means your bike was handbuilt by God.
It was a cold february night on bikeforums, and the time was six years ago when this would have been relevant or seen as a revelation...
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Just because I used short, simple words doesn't mean I was hoping for Canadian participation.
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Vivalo bikes having bum forks is old news.
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i still like my njs bike. i think i paid a fair price. i recognize there are better bikes out there, but for the price it's hard to beat the one i have.

done.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keirin#Equipment

It's not about high qualities of products. It is more to do with "standardization" of components among the manufacturers. The quality level that we, the consumers, are interested is a secondary effect. ... I mean it's for Keirin, so it would be dumb to see bikes fail every so often, right? So that standard better be high. But like with anything that is human-made, you can get bad parts. It ain't ZERO percent.

... It is probably good enough motivation to go with NJS stuff given I can get em cheap (and the stuff isn't beaten to pulp).

Kinda shame that it's pretty restricted to foreign companies. I would be delighted to see people / bikes from many different countries competing on the tracks. Just don't bring no Canadian quarters.

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LOL @ Canadians.
It's not even a real country.
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Originally Posted by Six jours View Post
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-a-broken-fork

Just for you folks that seem to think an NJS stamp means your bike was handbuilt by God.

You're an idiot.
The poster specifically said the owner used the bike for doing street tricks.

Do you really think any track specific fork is made to deal with that kind of garbage?

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Wow thanks for the insight, I am in shock that my 2 NJS rames are timebombs, Maybe I need to replace them with with a good sold langster or Kilo TT.

Cause Chinese children and machines do such brillant work
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Originally Posted by Six jours View Post
Just because I used short, simple words doesn't mean I was hoping for Canadian participation.
Don't do it bro, posting stupid threads
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Hey OP, if I gave you one of my NJS frames, would you take it?

I wouldn't give it to you anyway.
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You're an idiot.
The poster specifically said the owner used the bike for doing street tricks.

Do you really think any track specific fork is made to deal with that kind of garbage?
And I specifically noted that. Maybe you can get the Canadian to help you with the small words. Then you can come back and explain to us how doing "tricks" causes rust to form between a fork crown and a steerer tube.
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Wow thanks for the insight, I am in shock that my 2 NJS rames are timebombs, Maybe I need to replace them with with a good sold langster or Kilo TT.
NJS marked frames can be expected to be extremely competent. But so can any well made lugged steel frame and fork. The NJS mark isn't magic, as so many SS/FG participants seem to believe.

Cause Chinese children and machines do such brillant work
You should ask "Deathhare" about that. Apparently the Chinese are building forks that can stand up to "tricks" without rusting. Or something.
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Hey OP, if I gave you one of my NJS frames, would you take it?
Only if you take off the riser bars and neon deep Vs.
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Originally Posted by Tomo_Ishi View Post
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keirin#Equipment

It's not about high qualities of products. It is more to do with "standardization" of components among the manufacturers. The quality level that we, the consumers, are interested is a secondary effect. ... I mean it's for Keirin, so it would be dumb to see bikes fail every so often, right? So that standard better be high. But like with anything that is human-made, you can get bad parts. It ain't ZERO percent.

... It is probably good enough motivation to go with NJS stuff given I can get em cheap (and the stuff isn't beaten to pulp).

Kinda shame that it's pretty restricted to foreign companies. I would be delighted to see people / bikes from many different countries competing on the tracks. Just don't bring no Canadian quarters.
Huh. So you're not all a bunch of teenaged dumbasses. How about that!
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Only if you take off the riser bars and neon deep Vs.
Black is the new neon?

Clearly you've got NJS envy. What did you expect would happen by starting this thread?
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^I think he expected outrage.
That's why he had the belligerence dial set on '11'.
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NJS is not a magic stamp, But what it does mean it was made in Japan By a human being. The way the market is now You can get a high Quality Hand made Lugged frame made from Real nice steel, Used in great condition For a fraction of a Western made Hand made frame. A better frame? Sometimes yes sometimes no.
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Originally Posted by Metzinger View Post
^I think he expected outrage.
That's why he had the belligerence dial set on '11'.
Why not just make 10 louder?
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Originally Posted by LoRoK View Post
Why not just make 10 louder?
Six jours' goes to 11.
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Originally Posted by Six jours View Post
And I specifically noted that. Maybe you can get the Canadian to help you with the small words. Then you can come back and explain to us how doing "tricks" causes rust to form between a fork crown and a steerer tube.
Repeated stress -> failure of the braze -> rust -> catastrophic failure.
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