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Brian 04-26-10 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by Young Version (Post 10723191)
Aluminum is an element; steel is not. Steel and aluminum are not alloyed together, although aluminum is sometimes alloyed with chromium, which is also used in steel alloys.

A 4130 Cr-Mo frame is an alloy of chromium, manganese, and molybdenum, in addition to steel's requisite iron and carbon. A 6061 aluminum frame is an alloy of magnesium, silicon, copper, and chromium in addition to aluminum. The "T6" that usually follows refers to the heat treating.

/engineering lesson

You beat me to it. It should be noted that aluminum contains traces of titanium as well. I recall that on the paperwork for the million pounds or so of it that we shipped every week from our depot.

Yo! 04-26-10 08:31 AM

My buddy has a gutterball. I've helped him do a few mods, it's a decent, slack, aluminum fixed/ss frame. Most of the guys I see riding them are the ones just getting into fixed; makes sense, as that's how GT markets these, as opposed to the hardcore track style of the earlier GTB/Pulses.

GT was talking ab reproducing the GTB/Pulse, but production for the pierced seattube in the triple triangle design was apparently too expensive (That's why the GTB in the word "gutterball" are capitalized, as an homage of sorts). It's also why these bikes are flamed so hard.

It's like the redheaded stepbrother of the GTB/Pulse, but GT tries to make it sound like the new, fresh GTB.

the_don 04-26-10 08:58 AM

Of course it is aluminium. It has steel reinforced track ends. Why would a steel frame have steel reinforcements?

Alloy is widely used to mean aluminium for bikes.

Alloy forks for a FG bike of that price? Bike companies must be laughing at us stupid consumers. We don't lust over expense groupsets, they can charge a lot for bike with no groupset at all!

kr5 04-26-10 09:03 AM

So, i've determined:

2009 Gutterball = aluminum
2010 Gutterball = steel alloy (Chro Molly?)

Thanks for all the advice and help, everyone.

the_don 04-26-10 09:08 AM

NO! 2010 is Aluminium!

quote from site:
  • Frame:
    GT Triple Triangle track frame with butted downtube, steel reinforced track ends and integrated chain tensioner
  • Fork:
    GT Gutterball Straight blade design, alloy steerer, alloy legs
Link to blog post about it

Scrodzilla 04-26-10 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by kr5 (Post 10724308)
So, i've determined:

2009 Gutterball = aluminum
2010 Gutterball = steel alloy (Chro Molly?)

No, NO, NO!

How the hell did you make this "determination" after reading all the responses in this thread? They are aluminum.

the_don 04-26-10 09:16 AM

I Thought I was being a bit strong with my capitalised NO!

kr5 04-26-10 09:22 AM

This is confusing. So, based upon responses in this thread, the bike looks to be aluminum. The website lists the bike as steel. I just called a bike store that carries them and the guy who works there claims that the 2010 is steel, whereas the 2009 was aluminum.

cleanupinaisle3 04-26-10 09:24 AM

Just do the magnet test. Or ride a bike that you know is steel/aluminum, and compare the two. Ultimately buy what you think rides nice. It doesn't necessarily matter what the frame is made out of. There's nothing wrong with aluminum, and nothing wrong with steel. What's with the anti-aluminum attitude?

TejanoTrackie 04-26-10 09:24 AM

Perhaps the photos on the website are for the 2009 model and some of the specs are outdated. Ask the guy at the bike shop if a magnet sticks to the frame tubes.

Scrodzilla 04-26-10 09:38 AM

Those pics are definitely of a '10. It's also definitely made of aluminum.

Here's a link to someone's Velospace who has one:

http://velospace.org/node/27242

Look closely at the welds, fool!

swanny 04-26-10 12:36 PM

mines the 09 the all black one. and the site does say its steel this is from their site under the features tab not the spec tab "GT Triple Triangle frame in steel for a smooth, dependable ride..."

cleanupinaisle3 04-26-10 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by swanny (Post 10725342)
mines the 09 the all black one. and the site does say its steel this is from their site under the features tab not the spec tab "GT Triple Triangle frame in steel for a smooth, dependable ride..."

Probably a remnant from the 09 lineup. Their website isn't exactly well-organised or well thought-out. I mean, look at the second "Feature."

swanny 04-26-10 01:20 PM

i can see where the confusion is the frame looks exactly the same, if they did switch to steel those are some fat tubes. i say OP when your back in the bike shop flick your finger on the frame to hear the ping then test that out on a known steel frame and aluminum frame the GT should sound similar to one of those (ghetto alchemy)

kr5 04-26-10 01:25 PM

I'll check the bike out after work and will do the ping test and the magnet test. I'm really curious. Though, based upon some of the comments, steel doesn't necessarily make the bike a better ride than aluminum.

Yo! 04-26-10 03:24 PM

I've never seen a steel Gutterball before...

kr5 04-26-10 05:50 PM

Not that I doubted the expertise on this board, but it is indeed an aluminum frame, not steel. But F#%k it! I think that's why I like this bike. Super light. Compared to the other single speeds I've tried, it feels more like a bike that can jump onto curbs, and deke around...I love this bike... I'll shut up now. Thanks for the help, people.

Scrodzilla 04-26-10 06:31 PM

Did you buy it???

kr5 04-26-10 06:53 PM

Yeah, man. I bought it :thumb: Super stoked.

elemental 04-26-10 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by kr5 (Post 10727500)
Yeah, man. I bought it :thumb: Super stoked.

Congrats! It sounds like you got the bike you really wanted.

Scrodzilla 04-26-10 07:08 PM

Awesome. Glad it worked out after all the confusion!

kr5 04-26-10 07:43 PM

Thanks again!

the_don 04-27-10 06:53 AM

We knew it was aluminium!
Yeah
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__.../Hooraycat.jpg

kr5 04-28-10 10:09 AM

End note: I'm beginning to wonder why I bought this bike simply because GT seems to suck so much. I finally heard back from two people at GT. The guy who builds the bike (who has "built over 40 of them") didn't know the material of the frame. Also, I got an email back from customer service telling me the frame is steel.

As for the ride. It is light. But, yes, I can really feel the bumps.

Yo! 04-28-10 10:12 AM

GT aint what it used to be man, that's for sure.


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