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Help me understand gearing
Sorry, I just don't get it. My bike came with 42 and 16 teeth. Its too easy to pedal once I get rolling. If I want to go faster I'd have to pedal faster than I physically can. So, do I need more or less teeth in the front or the rear. The simpler explanation the better cause I don't understand all the gear mathematics I've been reading.
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More teeth in the front and/or fewer teeth in the rear will give you a higher gear. Rear cogs are generally less expensive than front chainrings. Make small changes, especially if you're changing the rear cog: a one tooth change in the back makes more of a difference than a one tooth change in the front.
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gear ratio.
simply divide the front by the rear. A higher number is faster at the same rate of spinning. 42/16 = 2.625 <- what you have now 44/16 = 2.75 <- faster 42/15 = 2.8 <- faster than 44/16 however, after a certain point, the engine, you, can no longer spin the cranks at a good rate unless you're going down hill. |
Thanks John. "Higher gearing" meaning tougher to pedal, all else being equal?
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now you've confused me AEO. I thought I'd have to go to 42/18 after John's explanation but now I think I have to go to 42/15.
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Its too easy to pedal once I get rolling.
If I want to go faster I'd have to pedal faster than I physically can. So, do I need more or less teeth in the front or the rear? |
Originally Posted by JerseyBri
(Post 10939561)
now you've confused me AEO. I thought I'd have to go to 42/18 after John's explanation but now I think I have to go to 42/15.
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Originally Posted by JerseyBri
(Post 10939567)
Its too easy to pedal once I get rolling.
If I want to go faster I'd have to pedal faster than I physically can. So, do I need more or less teeth in the front or the rear? |
Thanks everyone! Now I've got it.
Higher, lower, taller....these terms aren't clicking with me. That's why I just wanted to know what would make it harder to pedal. You're explanation is perfect, Danzax. I appreciate the advice on changing the chainring too. I do want to make this modification as simple as possible. |
Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
(Post 10939532)
More teeth in the front and/or fewer teeth in the rear will give you a higher gear. Rear cogs are generally less expensive than front chainrings. Make small changes, especially if you're changing the rear cog: a one tooth change in the back makes more of a difference than a one tooth change in the front.
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just think of it this way (as an imagery)
there's ur big ring (42t chainring) on ur front and a little ring (16t cog) on ur wheel. Every time u make a full pedal rotation on ur big ring, ur little ring rotates 2.625 circles. Get? now if ur big ring is bigger (imagine something dramatic), then every time u make a full pedal rotation, ur little ring will rotate a lot more circles. Thus, u can pedal at the same cadence as before but go much faster. But at the same time, u'll also need more strength to be able to push down that pedal. And vice versa, smaller chainring, easier to pedal, but u go slower at the same cadence. |
Would 2 identical bikes, one setup with gearing of 42/16 and the other with 34/13 pedal similarly?
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yes, they would pedal at a similar rate.
Hence Gear Inches and Gear Ratio's are inaccurate accounts of gearing. Gain Ratio's are where it's at. |
So, if giving someone these two hypothetical bikes to ride back-to-back they wouldn't notice any difference in pedaling?
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Originally Posted by cg1985
(Post 10945546)
Hence Gear Inches and Gear Ratio's are inaccurate accounts of gearing. Gain Ratio's are where it's at.
@ JerseyBri: if two bikes had similar gear inches, they'd have similar pedaling characteristics. however, you can have a bmx bike with 20" wheels and a mtb with 26" wheels and if they have the same gear ratio, they won't pedal the same because they have different gear inches. |
Originally Posted by tFUnK
(Post 10946293)
gear ratio is sort of meaningless because it doesn't take into account wheel/tire size, but gear inches is gear inches.
@ JerseyBri: if two bikes had similar gear inches, they'd have similar pedaling characteristics. however, you can have a bmx bike with 20" wheels and a mtb with 26" wheels and if they have the same gear ratio, they won't pedal the same because they have different gear inches. |
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Originally Posted by tFUnK
(Post 10946293)
gear ratio is sort of meaningless because it doesn't take into account wheel/tire size, but gear inches is gear inches.
@ JerseyBri: if two bikes had similar gear inches, they'd have similar pedaling characteristics. however, you can have a bmx bike with 20" wheels and a mtb with 26" wheels and if they have the same gear ratio, they won't pedal the same because they have different gear inches. Got it. That's why I asked about "2 identical bikes." I'm good now. I now know... ...to require more effort when pedaling I need to either get more teeth on the front or less on the rear. ...Two bikes, one with 42-16 gears and the other with 34-13, with all else being equal, will pedal identically. Now, of course, I'm curious why a manufacturer would choose the 42-16 combination over the 34-13. :) |
My wife had trouble understanding gearing so I built her up a single speed.
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Are you suggesting I try a tricycle?
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Originally Posted by JerseyBri
(Post 10949642)
Got it. That's why I asked about "2 identical bikes."
I'm good now. I now know... ...to require more effort when pedaling I need to either get more teeth on the front or less on the rear. ...Two bikes, one with 42-16 gears and the other with 34-13, with all else being equal, will pedal identically. Now, of course, I'm curious why a manufacturer would choose the 42-16 combination over the 34-13. :) |
Thanks John!
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