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Lucas Brunelle - Line of Sight Trailer

Old 06-21-10, 06:22 PM
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David and Banzai,

I agree with you both. I was just offering an alternative rather than just saying "That's stupid" and not suggesting something else for them to get their kicks.

Unfortunately, they excel at that because you don't have to spend months/years training and in the gym to grow a big set of balls to do that stuff. To be successful on the road, velodrome, mountain side, etc... it requires lots of time and effort training.
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Old 06-21-10, 06:33 PM
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agreed.
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Old 06-22-10, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post

Unfortunately, they excel at that because you don't have to spend months/years training and in the gym to grow a big set of balls to do that stuff. To be successful on the road, velodrome, mountain side, etc... it requires lots of time and effort training.
I'm generally opposed to alleycat racing for other reasons, but its nonsensical to suggest that one sport inherently requires more training than another. The time and effort required for anything is proportional to the intensity of the competition. This is true of any competition, whether it be chess, bike racing, or a poetry contest. If the competition is intense, then the training will be intense. The methods of training are not the same, nor are the training goals the same, but thats because its a different activity, with different goals and different challenges to overcome. If the training is less intense, its because the competition is less intense, not because its an inherently easier sport. I've never raced an alleycat, but I suspect in some of the cities with larger scenes, the racing is as intense as your amateur track racing.
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Old 06-22-10, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by oldfixguy View Post
Traffic Jammer,

You strike me as the type of guy who earned his bones and knows how to behave given circumstances. I don't think I know anyone who has anything against AlleyCat races. I think you are right - how else are messengers going to kick up the dust? But, the video that started this thread is not people (messengers or other) kicking up the dust. It's a group of guys giving everyone of us a bad name. Their behavior is inexcusable. But, to be honest, I seem to think that way about most fixed gear videos I see.
alleycats are basically the only times us messengers get to actually compete head to head and see each other

when we are working you see other messengers but you usually aren't riding with them

things are a bit more radical than normal work in alleycats at times but when working there are times when you have to get somewhere and get there like 5 minutes ago and I don't lie about it or act like it doesn't happen but in those occasions to be honest the only real law is don't get caught and don't get hit or hit anything, other than that you do whatever to get where you need to go

Ive done both kinds of races alleycats and regular closed street road races and I have seen people get hurt in both but the accidents in the road races seem to be worse most of the time. Going face first into a curb or street sign isn't pretty.
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As far as training, no being a messenger isn't the same as aerobic road training, you rarely get the chance to get your HR way up and keep it there for long periods.........you tend to damn good at sprinting and develop killer recovery skills. I have seen regular roadies get destroyed running light to light after a few in a row cause they do not do that kind of riding. Do some 0-30-0 mph repeats on a fixed gear no brakes and do it day in and day out for years, that is what we do all damn day on a busy day. In contrast don't ask me to ride at 25mph solo for hours, most of us don't last too long at that. But there are some scary fast guys, We've got two guys here that are CAT 2 and CAT 3 that easily could have gone minor league pro had they worked at it. Then again when messengering there are other skills involved like navigation, handling a phone or pager, routing yourself in a constantly changing situation all while making split second decisions on what line to take and how hard to push. Hand most people 20-30 stops and tell them to route themselves and they will have to break out a map and take a long time to figure out what to do, it would take me less than a minute and I will do it on the fly. You get to the point where you know every address, receptionist, mailroom, clerk, and bump in the damn road for many many square miles.
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Old 06-23-10, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by MatLax View Post
I don't think you understood what I meant, I said I would get in his way, never said I would hit him, I would just make sure that he has to stop where he is to piss him off the same way he's pissing off everyone who have to think for him while they're driving.
Dude, you're the reason there is so much hate between cyclists and drivers. Intentionally do something that you know will hurt someone? you are quite honestly the scum of the earth. You obviously have never used your bike as a mean of transportation (getting to work, school, etc)

You really dont deserve to post anything on this forum, I would go far to say that you deserve to get banned.
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Old 06-23-10, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ichitz View Post
Touche.
I never got stuck by lightening either but I'ld imagine it to hurt like hell and I might be in a near death experience, if not dead. Just a thought.
Maybe, but then if I knew several people who had been hit by lightning and they all said it tickles, I'd probably have to take their word over what I imagine it'd be like

Originally Posted by carleton View Post
Unfortunately, they excel at that because you don't have to spend months/years training and in the gym to grow a big set of balls to do that stuff. To be successful on the road, velodrome, mountain side, etc... it requires lots of time and effort training.
It's more than growing a big set of balls. If you have a big set of balls and no skills, you'll crash. If you have a big set of balls and no fitness, you're still going to be slower than someone who is more fit, you'll just be slow and reckless.

FWIW, the guys who win are the guys who pick the smartest routes and have the best fitness levels. Being able to blast through a light vs having to slow and pick a line through cross traffic at a red will buy you maybe a couple seconds. Picking a route with faster moving traffic and less stops that allows you to ride faster will save you minutes. The guy who can pedal around 25mph for the majority of the race is usually going to beat the guy chugging along at 18mph for the majority of the race too. Balls aren't everything, nor are they even "most things" IME, aside from making videos like this.
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Old 06-23-10, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by elTwitcho View Post
FWIW, the guys who win are the guys who pick the smartest routes and have the best fitness levels. Being able to blast through a light vs having to slow and pick a line through cross traffic at a red will buy you maybe a couple seconds. Picking a route with faster moving traffic and less stops that allows you to ride faster will save you minutes. The guy who can pedal around 25mph for the majority of the race is usually going to beat the guy chugging along at 18mph for the majority of the race too. Balls aren't everything, nor are they even "most things" IME, aside from making videos like this.
I was referring to those who make videos like this, not messengers or those who race alleycats in general. One can be a successful messenger or alley cat racer while still obeying all traffic laws and not being sketchy and unpredictable.

Generally speaking, most thrill-seeking activities (BASE jumping, sky diving, free diving, downhill racing, street luge, etc...) don't involve innocent, un-aware drivers or pedestrians. That's where this is nuts, when they "buzz" cars or people. Then when they go down (and they do go down) now that person is pulled into the drama of the accident. No different than street racing cars or street racing motorcycles.
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Old 06-24-10, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Davidxvx View Post
The trouble is, fixed gear bikes exploded in popularity, amongst kids (like me) who aren't messengers, don't have developed street riding skills. Being a messenger become a bizarre cult/fashion thing - for people who aren't messengers. Alleycats stopped being a messenger thing, and became a hipster thing as much as anything else. A lot of people who aren't old school messengers ride like they think messengers ride (inaccurately, focusing on an idealised version of one style of messenger cyclist).

So, you have a whole bunch of younger kids, in their teens and twenties, who're riding fixed on the street, and organising or coming along to street races. They don't wear sporting gear, or train for the sport, or whatever. They have a bit of a young, rebellious streak. They're attracted to the mythos of riding brakeless and think they're part of something radical (which they generally aren't). It's like skateboarding, or whatever else.
I had a friend (a vet messenger) who always told me I used to "fight the air" too much. He always tried to impress upon me that all the best messengers he knew didnt go ballsout fast, they road smart. They didnt need to ride fast. That was the defining characteristic of vets vs. newbs. I didnt believe him until I got into a crash that almost severed a tendon in my knee. I nop longer fight the air LOL.
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Old 06-24-10, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
Generally speaking, most thrill-seeking activities (BASE jumping, sky diving, free diving, downhill racing, street luge, etc...) don't involve innocent, un-aware drivers or pedestrians. That's where this is nuts, when they "buzz" cars or people. Then when they go down (and they do go down) now that person is pulled into the drama of the accident. No different than street racing cars or street racing motorcycles.
I do zoobomb here in PDX and the cars know we are coming. I guess that makes it a bit safer...
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