plowmanjoe

thinking about upgrading my se lager for awhile now. looking for something fast and light. i use my bike for short commutes and general fun and exercise. i'm also thinking about starting on the track as well but the closest velodrome to me isn't so close.

so far i've been considering the cinelli vigorelli from pro bike kit. it's under 600.

looking at others but they might be out of my price range. i'm thinking i can afford about 5-6 hundred plus whatever i get from selling my bike.

aluminum bikes aren't mentioned much on this board and was wondering what input people had on my options.

Dr. Banzai

I'm over 200. I ride the snot outta my aluminium bike. Buy what gives you a stiffy and have fun.

squeegeesunny 

You might be able to get Masi Coltello for $600~ if you get lucky. I freakin love that frame.

bleedingapple

Only reason I got off my aluminum frame was I wanted something I could be more agressive on the streets with... I love my aluminum frame. Its fast, responsive, light, and for a 250lbs rider like myself its stiff.

plowmanjoe

anyone have any suggestions with frame options compared to the viggorelli i'm looking at in terms of price range?

whitekimchee

you could pay a little more and get the Bianchi Super pista in celeste

plowmanjoe

where's the best place to get one online?

adriano 

that masi is repulsive.

whitekimchee

Well I believe the color just became available so I'm not sure if any online retailers have them yet (someone correct me if i'm wrong). I would try hitting up a LBS that carries Bianchis.

PedallingATX

I agree.

BUT, the Super Pista in celeste is F'n HOT. I want it. Basically the same as the '05 but with a stronger seat tube/seat post junction so it doesn't crack like the original Concepts did.

Leukybear 

Finally there's salvation~!

cleanupinaisle3

Trek T1. Framesets are $300-400. Sure it doesn't have super oversize/aero tubing, but it's light, stiff, twitchy and fun to ride. Also the 2009 and earlier models are red. Everyone knows red makes you go faster.

cc700

i just "Ughh!'d" out loud. UOL! ugh like orgasm sound.

sexy.

TejanoTrackie 

I've had my 2006 Concept for 4 years and another dude has a 2005, and the seat tube hasn't cracked on either of ours. In fact I know prolly a dozen racers with older Concepts and I've never heard of this problem. The new Super Pista does look nice, though, so at least I know I can replace my Concept if it gets wrecked.

bones_mcbones

I ride a Giant Bowery, Aluminum, $500, fast light and tough. I weight 190lbs I drop that thing off 1.5 foot curbs, no issues.

bones_mcbones

correction, the Bowery runs $650-$750 this year

https://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-US/...mx/3927/36634/

PedallingATX

Yeah, I mean I think it's more an issue with inexperienced ppl overtightening the bolt, but apparently it was enough of a problem for Bianchi to address it in the new model.

plowmanjoe

so waiting for the bianchi i would be paying 750 compared to under 600 with the cinelli. what are some of the benefits of the bianchi over the cinelli?

it seems like bianchi is much more popular. i've seen the vigorelli in person a few times and it's a beautiful frame.

ididthistothat

I honestly dont believe the new Super Pistas are worth the price. I paid 500 for a new Pista Concept and rode it for nearly 3 years before selling it for 550 after the Concept had gained a huge following. 'Under 600' is a good price for, I'm assuming, a new Vigorelli.

wmgreene85

I bought one for 500$ in green. I absolutely love that frame. At first I was a little hesitant but it has grown on me ten fold.

plowmanjoe

580 new from pro bike kit
https://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=J0040

TejanoTrackie 

The Bianchi is a super serious track racing machine with very tight geometry, even more so than the Cinelli. If you are primarily riding on the street, the Cinelli might be better, but it would still be more than capable as an occasional velodrome weapon. Both frames are beautifully finished, but the Cinelli is plainer looking and I personally prefer the Bianchi, although I am biased cuz I have one. My 2006 Concept is super stiff and responsive, yet extremely light. I have ridden it briefly on smooth roads, but am not sure I'd enjoy it on anything rough.

ididthistothat

do it! the bb shell has a smiley face on it. I love my Cinelli and so will you

Leukybear 

Same for me; I have the '05 with the army lettering...

Just wondering is the super pista in celeste allowed in the concept superthread?

plowmanjoe

I'm really leaning towards the vigorelli right now. just need to figure out my size.

i see that the sizes for the vigorelli are from center to top. i ride a 52cm se lager. does anyone know if that's c-c or c-t?